if i'm generous i can give you open borders. that's one out of three issues you cherrypicked.

medicare you not only had to include the private insurance part (which is NOT shared by every democrat), you also had to ignore the part where the main proposal, medicare for all, is the democratic one, while republicans oppose it. also, while not relevant for the point i made, the private insurance bit is deliberately misrepresented by the right. 'they want to take away insurance from millions of americans' claim the big pharma and insurance bribed republican puppets when in reality it's supposed to be replaced by something better.



i also can't give you the abortion one, not even close. it is very clear that americans oppose complete bans like republicans already implemented and pushed for. people also support roe vs. wade. your claim about 'most democrats' supporting 'unrestricted abortion' is not backed up by facts or sources, just by feelings and speculations, and a desperate desire to be right about at least one thing today. this poll further illustrates that americans are considerably closer to the democratic position than the republican one on this issue: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

next are environmental protection / regulating wallstreet / election meddling / gerrymandering / common sense gun laws / trump's tax breaks / trade wars / border wall / citizenship / affordable college... again, you haven't even reached base camp of mount equivalence...

They should make more cartoons like this. Trannobama >>>

1, (open borders) ty. i'll allow you some time to shower to clean off the guilt.

2, many many many americans have a better private plan (that likely also costs more money) than medicare. I do. and my wife is just a teacher. if we go on medicare there's a 0% chance our copays and deductibles improve, and maybe a 1% chance they stay the same.

3, yes. the majority of americans dont support full bans, nor do they support no restrictions. so as i said, the platforms of both sides are not in line with majority thinking.

1) that's one of literally dozens of issues. again, you can't even see base camp from where you're at.
2) 'anecdotal evidence' will be the next term you try to shame me into not using, claiming i don't understand what it means, because you're embarrassed that i exposed your fallacy. also, just like my point about the deliberate misinformation campaign, irrelevant for this argument.
3) captain false equivalence at it again. if you look at the poll and seriously claim that the american public is not significantly closer to the democratic take on the issue, you clearly lack the reading comprehension to engage in political discussion.

nice dodge on all the other issues...
you're like 1 out of 12, my point stands firm...

yes heinrich we know you're into ancestral worship and not any other faith-based system

6 out of the top 12 issues the dems mention is "orange man bad". watch the debates again, almost 50% of responses mention Trump as a selling point, or even as a diversion to dodge the question. the 3 issues i raised are 3 of the staple issues for democrats, borders/immigration and healthcare especially. if you can think of an issue the democrats have higher in their platform than those two issues (on of which you admitted i'm right on) i'll be happy to illustrate how your point fails on that issue as well. so please, give me a topic that's more at the core of democratic rhetoric than those two. you did, afterall, accuse me of cherry picking issues, when you did the same thing of course. you haven't illustrated your list is the core of the GOP or even Trump's platform. anyone can attack fringe ideas. also you made a claim about republicans nationwide, then posted a list that's half trump. i guess you're as trump obsessed as the DNC debate stage.

busy day, so I'm not in the mood for lenghty, tedious discussions. just one note regarding the "the Republicans can only win thanks to the Electoral College" talking point:

its simply not true, the advantage in the EC is very volatile. in each of 1996, 2004, 2008 and 2012, the EC favored the Democrats:



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-the-electoral-college-doom-the-democrats-again/

the narrative is moronic. the dems counter deep red southern territory with deep blue CA, NY, etc. every election for the last 8 or so has come down to purple states, OH, FL, WI, MI, etc. HRC's failure in the electoral college was due to bad planning in purple states and instead campaigning in blue states she couldn't win. she got scared shitless by a question in WV early on about Coal and avoided those areas to avoid bad quotes. Trump simple swept the purple, which accounts for the gap between popular and electoral votes.

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again, concrete republican policies and political actions are not 'fringe ideas'. not a single one of those topics i mentioned is even close to 'fringe'.



i love how you consistently ignore all the other points i mentioned in the very same post (disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, inviting foreign interference, citizens united, tribalism...) in order to create that moronic strawman, claiming i suggested the EC is exclusively responsible for republican 'wins'. could you be more of a hack?
that said, how many elections have republicans won through the EC despite losing the popular vote, and how many democrats have won that way? you still want to tell me it's even? the last two republican president both came into office after losing the popular vote. it's quite simply a shitty, outdated, and undemocratic system that supports a tyranny of the minority, and leads to disproportionate focus, attention, and federal funds being spent in only a couple of swing state, thus doing exactly the opposite of what it was originally created for. the funny thing is, most people (including republicans) actually agree ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/159881/americans-call-term-limits-end-electoral-college.aspx ) - at least they did when they didn't have to legitimise their cult leader (who himself was an outspoken opponent of the EC) by supporting it, or have to act like it's good simply because i think it's crap.