its more than a bit telling that you chose extreme positions to back up your claim that GOP policy in general is unpopular. what % of GOP lawmakers are calling for an end to Row v Wade (even tho that's a SCOTUS thing and not GOP policy anyways). and what % of politicians are running on a platform against universal background checks? and how did you get from "immigration reform" straight to "trump's wall"?

you're just generalizing a concept to smear republicans as only able to win by cheating while also choosing the most extreme policies.

this is of course more than a bit funny just a few weeks from the time you claimed Democrat candidates aren't for open borders, when the majority of candidates are for a catch and release program with the punishment for crossing being a misdemeanor or even civil forfeiture.

the truth is both parties and their leadership are shaped in far too large of a way by extremes in the campaign phase, and people closer to center vote for people even with extreme ideas knowing they wont come to fruition. people vote for the medicare for all candidate knowing only a medicare for some bill will clear legislature. they vote for the gun grabber knowing less harsh bills will clear senate. etc. so there will always be a gap between extreme campaign rhetoric and the ideals of the voters who vote for the politician espousing extreme ideas that they dont support. but even then your claim doesnt match reality. GOP policy on the local, state, and even federal legislature level has been vanilla. Trump's rhetoric has been extreme, and his actions have been far more mundane, while his engagement with the public grows more and more tiresome. but he's largely crippled in the legislature and has only been relegated to a SCOTUS pick POTUS who can do tariffs.

in short, if you hold the GOP to the extreme rhetoric you posted then the DNC is just as unpopular. touting major policy issues such as abortion into the 3rd trimester and for any age, medicare for all that would strip everyone of private insurance, and open borders immigration policy. the public opinion doesnt line up with democratic policy on any of those issues.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 7 2019 10:12am

hey, great sources to back up your claims... owait!

also, i already inb4'd your hacky 'they aren't republican positions because they don't officially admit it' appoach, as it simply defies reality: mcconnell outright blocking several house gun regulation / elections security bills, trump shutting down the government to get his border wall funded, alabama banning abortions, trump rolling back financial and environmental protections, the partisan hacks in the supremecourt giving a green light for gerrymandering, the public opposition of trump's tax reform... those aren't some fantasy scenarios or 'extreme' positions, those are concrete policies manifesting in reality.

and all of those are issues not only the majority of americans oppose, but also almost every single democrat. so much for that.

you're so obsessed with opposing literally every single post i make, that you happily abandon logic and reason to do so. it's pathetic, but at the same time pretty amusing to watch...

you made a claim, i said post sources, you posted poor sources, i called them out as not supporting YOUR claim. you didnt challenge any of my claims, just are stating i didnt source them. and we of course know why, one common narrative left, right, and center from the DNC debates has been how extreme the rhetoric is from most non-Biden candidates, how out of touch it is with popular opinion, and how Biden is the safe choice for this reason. the democratic field is largely trying to pander to the extreme fringe to catch up to centrist Biden and so far it's not working.

as to the pure confirmation bias, i read almost all posts on PARD, i only respond to about 25% of yours that have blatant errors. and i thought i had a big ego, you cant even do basic math in a claim let alone source it responsibly. all emotion, cut down the soy.

pathetic. obviously you can't refute my point about those issues, that americans largely oppose, being concrete republican policy, so you have to resort to your #alternative facts time line...

i haven't tried exclusively to do that. i'm saying that campaign rhetoric is more extreme than mainstream voters support, both in the republican and democratic party. see, the thing about us non-biased posters is we recognize symmetry when and where it exists. in 2019 the DNC main-stage candidates are largely more extreme than their voters, the same goes for Trump.

you claim rest on the GOP only winning elections through cheats to cover the gap they have in policy with mainstream voters. but if the DNC has a gap with mainstream voters this would mean by your lack-of-logic that the DNC has to cheat too.

now go ahead and say im moving the goal posts, or squirming out, or pivoting, or whatever u need.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 7 2019 10:54am

that's the problem with your 'centrist' / 'non-biased' shtick. you don't just call it even where it is, no, you bend truth and fact to make it appear that way even when it obviously isn't. in terms of policy it's far from symmetry, that's textbook false equivalence. that's why you have to stay so vague and prevent to talk specifics at all cost, that's why you can't provide sources, just wishy washy talking points and ad homs...

i brought up the DNC mainstage's position on medicare, border crossing, and abortion rights. direct specifics. i didnt post a source because it would just be timestamps from the debates, one of which (the 2nd ABC video) isn't even on youtube.

do you think that medicare for all, parking tickets for crossing the border with no arrest, and no restrictions on abortion are popular mainstream opinions? do you think that the vast majority of DNC candidates are not espousing extreme views in an attempt to differentiate and catch Biden?

i mean, how much more specific can i get? you literally need me to post a video so you can watch it? lol.

DODGE.

yes, please show me polling that supports what you suggest. so far all you did is make claims without proof. pretty sure that around 70% of americans are in favour of medicare for all, and i linked you to a poll showing americans DO support roe vs wade and oppose bans like republicans have ALREADY IMPLEMENTED in alabama. so i'm pretty sure you're full of it, claiming that those are issues where the people are on the republican side of the issue. also, those are just three (unsourced) cherry picked issues, whereas i provided a whole list concerning very concrete policies that republicans implemented (or blocked) that americans largely disagree on. so for your 50/50 narrative you still have a long way to go...

so medicare for all that bans private insurance to make medicare work (as Bernie, Warren, DeBlasio, and others support from the main stage):

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/428958-poll-voters-want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for

decriminalizing the border, that all but a few support:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/452005-poll-voters-favor-criminal-prosecution-over-civil-fines-for-illegal-border-crossings

no restrictions on abortion, that most candidates either support or skirt with a "we need to protect women" answer and wont specifically answer where they'd cut off abortions (if not allowed until birth, which they also wont answer)

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/730183531/poll-majority-want-to-keep-abortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions



boy that took 45 seconds of googling, afk buying 2 redbulls to refuel.




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This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 7 2019 11:27am