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Aug 6 2019 10:29pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 7 Aug 2019 06:28)
You might not wanna be around him and I might not want to but trump is the type of guy that'll grab a phone and call someone and it'll matter to some people. Do I think he is an empathetic person? Nah but it's not what I think or what you think. If he reached out to people and if some of those people appreciate it and want to welcome him that should be encouraged and supported imo. Further division isn't needed after tragedy. If people dont wanna be around him they don't have to be but some do and that's alright


Fully agreed. :thumbsup:
Would still be interesting to know if Trump also called the families of some of the El Paso victims...
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Aug 6 2019 10:48pm
Quote (TransTankie @ 7 Aug 2019 00:01)
In fairness the last person I'd wanna see after suffering such a grievous loss would be Trump. I'd be liable to do something silly.

yeah surely you calling him a “racist” and reeeing irl will surely be the end of drumpf this time
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Aug 6 2019 11:06pm
Quote (thundercock @ 7 Aug 2019 06:28)
That's why you gotta make them count! Ultimately, Republicans do better as the minority party so we should keep it that way.


republicans ARE the minority party when you strictly look at policy. almost ALL of their positions are only shared by a minority of people. that's why they have to 'win' elections by different means:

- massive and systematic voter disenfranchisement
- gerrymandering
- protecting citizens united to make sure their corporate overlords will give them a financial advantage for campaigning
- the electoral college
- openly inviting hostile foreign nations to influence elections in their favour
- generally making sure as few people vote as possible
- not securing elections against meddling
- systematic voter supression against minorities
- have the supreme court stacked with partisan hacks who will prevent a proper count of contested elections
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Aug 6 2019 11:08pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Aug 2019 01:06)
republicans ARE the minority party when you strictly look at policy. almost ALL of their positions are only shared by a minority of people. that's why they have to 'win' elections by different means:

- massive and systematic voter disenfranchisement
- gerrymandering
- protecting citizens united to make sure their corporate overlords will give them a financial advantage for campaigning
- the electoral college
- openly inviting hostile foreign nations to influence elections in their favour
- generally making sure as few people vote as possible
- not securing elections against meddling
- systematic voter supression against minorities
- have the supreme court stacked with partisan hacks who will prevent a proper count of contested elections


Another part you don't understand because you aren't a part of U.S culture. Most of those points aren't shared by socialist, but demoncrats, yes. Also, most of those things you brought up were actually put into action by democrats with evidence in many different districts, but no evidence of republicans doing so (other than gerrymandering, both parties do this. Though I have heard that it favors republicans more, but that doesn't mean both don't attempt the practice).
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Aug 6 2019 11:19pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Aug 2019 01:06)
republicans ARE the minority party when you strictly look at policy. almost ALL of their positions are only shared by a minority of people. that's why they have to 'win' elections by different means:

- massive and systematic voter disenfranchisement
- gerrymandering
- protecting citizens united to make sure their corporate overlords will give them a financial advantage for campaigning
- the electoral college
- openly inviting hostile foreign nations to influence elections in their favour
- generally making sure as few people vote as possible
- not securing elections against meddling
- systematic voter supression against minorities
- have the supreme court stacked with partisan hacks who will prevent a proper count of contested elections


fender aka heinrich blames “a stacked supreme court” for the result of the 2016 election lmfao

he’s also still blaming “republicans” for the electoral college even though the electoral college predates the republican party by nearly 70 years

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Aug 6 2019 11:20pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 01:06am)
republicans ARE the minority party when you strictly look at policy. almost ALL of their positions are only shared by a minority of people. that's why they have to 'win' elections by different means:


Hillary won the popular vote by like 3 million out of 329 million people.
Trump won fair and square, by electoral college vote.

Time to grow up and realize Hillary lost... fair and square.

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Aug 6 2019 11:29pm
Quote (Ghot @ 7 Aug 2019 07:20)
Hillary won the popular vote by like 3 million out of 329 million people.
Trump won fair and square, by electoral college vote.

Time to grow up and realize Hillary lost... fair and square.


3 million out of 135 million voters.
and yes, trump did indeed win fair and square, hillary was well aware that the electoral college existed.

not the point though, the point is that it favours republicans, and that it's an objectively shitty thing for democracy, and most americans (yes, even a majority of republicans) do agree on that. trump himself has tweeted that a couple of times back when he didn't need it to win elections...
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Aug 6 2019 11:30pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Aug 2019 01:29)
3 million out of 135 million voters.
and yes, trump did indeed win fair and square, hillary was well aware that the electoral college existed.

not the point though, the point is that it favours republicans, and that it's an objectively shitty thing for democracy, and most americans (yes, even a majority of republicans) do agree on that. trump himself has tweeted that a couple of times back when he didn't need it to win elections...


First and foremost, the U.S is a Democratic republic, not a pure democracy.

I feel that the world is heading towards a direction where our current set of government may be obsolete, but I personally don't think we are near that yet.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Aug 6 2019 11:31pm
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Aug 6 2019 11:33pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 01:29am)
not the point though, the point is that it favours republicans


The electoral college doesn't favor either party. You sure you know wtf you're talking about?

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Aug 6 2019 11:40pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Aug 2019 07:06)
republicans ARE the minority party when you strictly look at policy. almost ALL of their positions are only shared by a minority of people. that's why they have to 'win' elections by different means:

[...]
- protecting citizens united to make sure their corporate overlords will give them a financial advantage for campaigning
[...]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Campaign_finance

total spent:
Clinton: $639m
Trump: $302m



midterms:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-democrats-unprecedented-fundraising-edge-is-scary-for-republicans-and-for-our-model/
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In the average House district, the Democratic candidate has raised 64 percent of the money this cycle, or almost two-thirds. Likewise, the Democrat has raised an average of 65 percent of the money in districts rated as competitive by the Cook Political Report. In all previous years in our database, no party had averaged more than 56 percent of the money in these competitive districts.


so in 2018, the Dems again had a 2:1 fundraising edge.
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