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Jul 2 2026 11:12pm
You're conflating two different questions: whether a document contains supernatural claims and whether those claims are true.

I never said an author's intention makes a document true. I said it tells us what kind of claim they're making. Harry Potter is presented as fiction. The New Testament is presented as history. Those are different genres, and historians approach them differently. Whether the historical claims are correct is a separate question.

You're also creating a false dilemma by saying that if one part of the Bible is debated, then the whole thing must be false. Historians don't treat any ancient source that way. They evaluate claims individually. For example, historians don't discard everything written by Herodotus because some of his reports are legendary. Likewise, historians don't accept every claim in any ancient source uncritically. They weigh each claim against the available evidence.

You also said that if God inspired Scripture, then every claim must be true. That's a theological claim, not a historical one. Whether Scripture is inspired is precisely one of the questions under discussion. You can't assume it is false as a premise and then conclude it isn't inspired—that's circular.

Finally, I've never argued that "because some biblical places and events are historical, therefore every miracle happened." I've repeatedly said that's not my argument. My argument is that the historical reliability of a source is one factor in ssessing its claims. It doesn't automatically prove every claim, but neither does the presence of miracles automatically make every claim false.

So we're back to the real disagreement: you begin with the assumption that miracle claims should always be rejected because miracles have not been demonstrated to your satisfaction. I don't begin with that assumption. I think the question is whether the total historical and philosophical evidence makes belief in God and the resurrection reasonable. That's where we differ.


"Presenting" Harry Potter as fiction doesn't make it fiction. The lack of magical proof and lack of being real makes it fiction. Just like presenting the bible as true doesn't automatically make it truth or presenting as history doesn't make it history. That's why I told you intentions don't mean jack.

Yes historians evaluate every claim individually and conclude if something was true and something that was fake. You can maybe claim there are kernels of truths in the bible but you cannot claim all of it is true. HOWEVER that is a contradiction that goes against what the bible claims. We are evaluating a claim that a perfect, all powerful, all knowing god wrote this. IF its not all perfect and not all truthful then it CANNOT be called word of god. You can call it man made story with mistakes, contradictions and occasional true events.
Inspired by god doesn't mean it was god. It could mean people thought they were inspired by god or just lied. There are plenty of examples of people who think god talks to them. They think the voices in their head are from god. Thats why we have thousands of religions. Why should we treat christianity any different from a mental institution patient?

I didn't "assume" it wasn't inspired by god I "concluded" it based on the lack of proof it makes. You can't accuse me of being circular.

Since magic has never been proven to be real its a natural and logical place to start categorizing it as fiction.
The day you prove magic is the day we can begin with "it could be possible"

Humans have devised millions of stories and myths over millenia. You want me to disregard all the gods and magical explanations except for 1. Why is it reasonable to believe in magical being created 2 people in a magical garden with a magic serpent , then that magic wizard got mad at the two people he created then he drowned everything then favoured one race of people over another, then send his son/himself to pay for our sins, but didn't realy die, walk on water, cure cancer resurrect from the dead. Hell, heaven, angels, demons, unicorns, satyrs, cherubs, leviathans, dragons, nephillim, virgin birth etc etc. That is more reasonable to you over << its just another man made superstitious story>> ?
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Jul 2 2026 11:21pm
what truth would you be looking for? are you even looking for truth.


I just wanted to know what D_urRRR meant.
if God wrote it into the stars. "im God believe in me"


A message written in the sky doesn't mean the message is true. What a weird thing to say.

How would I know it was god? I couldn't ever know.

*edit* and no, I wouldn't assume it's aliens. That would be just as moronic as assuming it was god.

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Jul 3 2026 01:24am
I just wanted to know what D_urRRR meant.

A message written in the sky doesn't mean the message is true. What a weird thing to say.

How would I know it was god? I couldn't ever know.

*edit* and no, I wouldn't assume it's aliens. That would be just as moronic as assuming it was god.


yup, and its not something i made up. it was actually an argument used by an 'atheist
the point thats being made is there will always be an excuse.
2:17....even if God wrote a message to him in the Stars he still wouldn't
2:24 believe in God because the message in the Stars could have been put there by powerful aliens trying to trick him

this whole vid is about how 'atheists would explain away anything/everything by their own admissions. how can i be expected to take any 'atheist seriously?

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Jul 3 2026 01:33am
yup, and its not something i made up. it was actually an argument used by an 'atheist


if God wrote it into the stars. "im God believe in me" then you would say


You know I don't believe in god so you just assume I would say some ridiculous thing you heard some other person who doesn't believe in god say?



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Jul 3 2026 01:37am
how can i be expected to take any 'atheist seriously?


I'm confused here. Do you not believe them when they say they don't believe in god?

What else is there to take serious? That's the entire thing, just not believing god exists.

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Jul 3 2026 01:42am


Right out of the gate this guy is a moron. His opening line is "atheists are champions of science and reason who have examined the evidcnce for god's existence"...

No, atheists are people who don't believe in god. It has nothing to do with evidence or examining or science or reason.

It's just "I'm not convinced god exists". There isn't a requirement to examine the evidence because being an atheist just means not being convinced god exists.

It doesn't even mean believing there is no god. It just means not being convinced god exists.

Someone who is unsure if god exists would also be an atheist.

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Jul 3 2026 04:09am
Right out of the gate this guy is a moron. His opening line is "atheists are champions of science and reason who have examined the evidcnce for god's existence"...

No, atheists are people who don't believe in god. It has nothing to do with evidence or examining or science or reason.

It's just "I'm not convinced god exists". There isn't a requirement to examine the evidence because being an atheist just means not being convinced god exists.

It doesn't even mean believing there is no god. It just means not being convinced god exists.

Someone who is unsure if god exists would also be an atheist.


you see the part were the 'atheist has an excuse out of everything?
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Jul 3 2026 07:15am
You poured the Alcohol away as a conscious decision on your behalf, no Divine Intervention needed.
You fell on your knees and did a little prayer after that.
So maybe next time you tell this shitty somewhat redemption arc, fall on your knees first and pray to god, then rise and pour the Alcohol in the sink.
Would make for a better Story.
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Jul 3 2026 04:10pm
Alcoholism is classified as a Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD) its a mental disorder. You had mental problems and you fixed your mental problems by changing your mind. It is not magic.
Try the same thing on a broken leg or reverse your age by 20 years or even ability to speak a different language. Pray to your god to cure something physical and if its not cured overnight thats how you know its bullshit.

People change their minds all the time. One day they decide to stop doing and never go back. Any addiction or behaviour can be changed. I used to play video games all the time completely addicted like most teenagers. Then one day I decided to stop playing so much and now I maybe play 2‐3 hours a week if that. Millions/billions of people do this without a god.


'atheists never fail me. my faith grows in leaps n bounds. what you meant for evil God turns to good
Genesis 50:20
King James Version
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

i found a good article on alcoholism and i have you to thank for that.

Alcohol's Effects on Health
Research-based information on drinking and its impact.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/cycle-alcohol-addiction#:~:text=Addiction%20can%20be%20fra

your assessment of course is the usual trash you spew for your agenda
there is a part of the article i will address at this time. (i intend to reread article later)
withdrawal systems? never had any. the more i look into it the more i realize what a super magical gift it is.
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Jul 3 2026 04:15pm
You poured the Alcohol away as a conscious decision on your behalf, no Divine Intervention needed.
You fell on your knees and did a little prayer after that.
So maybe next time you tell this shitty somewhat redemption arc, fall on your knees first and pray to god, then rise and pour the Alcohol in the sink.
Would make for a better Story.


i can feel your rage from here.
when i felt the whole thing was hopeless thats when the miracle happened. ya when i felt nothing was going to happen thats when everything happens. makes perfect mind trick sense. and the part were being drunk and hungover was gone. i mind tricked that as well
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