As I just said, you're mixing and matching administrations and decades to match a narrative. Crack vs powder sentencing was a Reagan phenomenon, so how does this relate to Ehrlichman's singular quote regarding a Nixon administration that ended in 1974?

Besides, the impact of crack cocaine vs powder on the body is obvious to anyone familiar with the drug. Crack cocaine's shorter, more intense high makes it worse, both for the user and society, than the impact of snorting coke. It makes sense that these would be treated differently in the eyes of the law.

With respect to incarceration rates, take the first two countries on your list. The rate of intentional homicide in the United States versus the United Kingdom is almost directly proportional to the rate of incarceration in both countries. Should the United States release more murderers? Most people at this point recognize that the war on drugs was not successful, and there is a bipartisan push to correct the impact. But that is one part of the picture. The United States has a lot more crime. Turning criminals back onto the street has failed, look at Minneapolis, NYC, and San Francisco. Left-wing voters in these places are revolting against radical DAs that have had a disastrous impact on public safety.

We can talk about defense mechanisms later and I would like to have this conversation in good faith. I need to go meet patients now because business is booming.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 26 2022 06:14am

you're literally just regurgitating the facts i presented to YOU, hilariously acting like you're the one who came up with them, while dishonestly suggesting the widely criticised sentencing disparity, the obvious and self-admitted racial element, the failed and devastating impact of the war on drugs wasn't something that historians, legal, and medical experts overwhelmingly agreed on.

also, did you have to make it THAT obvious that you never even learned the very basics of statistics? that relation between overall prison population per capita and homicide rates would only be relevant to this discussion if we were exclusively looking at incarcerations for homicides. my point, however, is that the insane percentage of incarcerated US citizens is due to non-violent, low level offences. everyone agrees a murderer deserves to be locked up, but that's not at all the point here.

you're really trying your best to deflect from the main point here: your government implemented insanely oppressive policies that lead to large swathes of your population behind bars, and guns did nothing to prevent that. just like they did nothing to prevent the US' decline into oligarchy, massive surveillance programs by the government, or your leaders repeatedly starting wars that allegedly no one supports. the whole "we need guns to protect our freedom" narrative is bullshit. comprehensively debunked by history and facts. you can shill for the failed war on drugs all you want, that doesn't change it.

I'm sure there's honestly not many, but using 2020 for school shooting is stupid. The vast majority of kids I know were not even in school in 2020 because of Covid.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-over-time-incidents-injuries-and-deaths

This post was edited by SBD on May 26 2022 07:38am

Ummmm.....read through the thread please, I'm not the one that brought up the year 2020. That is me responding to someone bringing that year up because "that's the year that leading child deaths by guns surpassed car accidents"

I was simply stating a fact in response to their statement. Most of those guns, the vast majority, were illegally owned and most of those deaths were from teenagers on the streets

In 2021 a total of 12 students/children killed in school shootings in the united states.

Again, school shootings account for FAR less than 1% of gun related homicides in the U.S. Children and teens in general are killed EVERY SINGLE DAY by gun in the streets and nobody blinks an eye, yet schools get shot up and all of a sudden it becomes a major issue again with the media soaking it up.



Read up.

2021 a total of 12 students killed in school shootings.
2019 a total of 5 students killed in school shootings.
2018 a total of 28 students killed in school shootings.


Again, a drop in the bucket to the bigger issue with gun violence in America. The media mostly ignores the fact that kids die in the streets to gun violence every damn day though.


This post was edited by Sixers on May 26 2022 07:42am

Because schools are supposed to be safe. The streets can be dangerous in some places. We all accept that. But schools should be safe.

75 million students in school each year, estimated. I previously misspoke and said only 7 million, but it's something like 75 million.

In the past three years we've seen 5, 10, and 28 die in school shootings. Out of 75 million each year.

You have a far greater chance of being struck by lighting than a student does of dying in a school shooting. Once again, let's talk about the bigger issue and stop only caring when there's a school shooting.

This post was edited by Sixers on May 26 2022 07:47am

Schools are just one part of the equation. They are a particularly attention-getting part, but they are a part of the larger problem of gun violence, education, and healthcare.

As I said before. We've decided guns should be everywhere, healthcare is a privilege, and public schools should be as bad as possible. Pick two to change.

the media and fanatical people posting here dont care about those kids

Home school and homeopathic medicine.
Was ez.