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Apr 17 2022 08:42pm
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I generally agree that the meetings aren't effective. The thing is, they aren't intended to be effective. They are intended to give the company an out when they get sued for being a hostile work environment. They get to point and say "Look, we made all our employees attend a diversity session".

These companies don't actually give a shit about any of these issues. They are there to make money, and want to spend the absolute minimum to maintain good enough PR that they can avoid being targeted by boycots or sued for being hostile.

Maybe this is proof that people don't give a shit about diversity and the minorities that you love so much.
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Apr 17 2022 08:45pm
Oh and by the way there's over a dozen states with legislation already in place to prevent gender discrimination in public restrooms. So it not like the data isn't out there.

Why isn't this in the news every day if such horrible things are happening in the public restrooms across the nation?

Puritanical fearmongering. Fear is a feeling. Fuck your feelings.
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Apr 17 2022 08:49pm
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Maybe this is proof that people don't give a shit about diversity and the minorities that you love so much.


It's more of a societal ill caused by capitalism.
The companies are covering their ass to limit their financial risk to legal actions.
It's cheaper for them to spend money on useless diversity and inclusion training, rather than to do something productive.
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Apr 17 2022 08:57pm
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The left is pretty clear on the matter. The only way to achieve tolerance is by giving no tolerance to intolerance.


And that in itself is just another form of intolerance. Which you are against. I guess it's time to spit on your own face.

Btw, not everybody wants to achieve tolerance. That's your value. Some of us don't share it.

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Did you ever "feel straight" because if not, being straight or gay isn't a feeling. And I don't care how you feel about that fact.


I don't know if it's a feeling or not, however I believe it's quite close to being instinctual. Like people don't really have a conscious choice over it. You don't choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight.

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What is it with the bathroom thing? Do you feel threatened when a homosexual uses a gendered bathroom? They are attracted to the same gender as the bathroom they are using! But wait, there's no data that has proven that to be problematic in any way? Just puritanical fearmongering based on feeling, not facts?


There is no puritanical fearmongering. Women don't want trans women in women's washrooms because the latter have a penis and are therefore men.

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Apr 17 2022 09:04pm
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And that in itself is just another form of intolerance. Which you are against.


That argument has zero logic behind it and is likely meant to just be inflammatory to the discussion.
You can't truly think a society can achieve tolerance by tolerating intolerance?

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I don't know if it's a feeling or not, however I believe it's quite close to being instinctual. Like people don't really have a conscious choice over it. You don't choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight.


Then we agree. Sexual orientation is not a feeling. That's what was claiming.

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There is no puritanical fearmongering. Women don't want trans women in women's washrooms because the latter have a penis and are therefore men.


Oh I guess we found the spokesperson for all women. I'm surprised that all women are transphobic. Got any data to back up that claim? No data? Was it based of your feelings?
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Apr 17 2022 09:10pm
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That argument has zero logic behind it and is likely meant to just be inflammatory to the discussion.
You can't truly think a society can achieve tolerance by tolerating intolerance?


I don't give a shit about achieving tolerance. That's your value.

Btw, I don't care what you feel that you must do to achieve your nirvana. When you preach being intolerant of intolerance, that is still a form of intolerance. No matter how much social good you think will come out of it. You are guilty of what you yourself protest against. I hope you realize this.
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Oh I guess we found the spokesperson for all women. I'm surprised that all women are transphobic. Got any data to back up that claim? No data? Was it based of your feelings?


It doesn't take all women. All it takes is for one woman to feel uncomfortable. And I am a woman, and I don't feel comfortable with biological men in the same bathroom facility as me. I hope you will give the same consideration to my feelings just as what you give to the trannies'.

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Apr 17 2022 09:18pm
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I don't give a shit about achieving tolerance.


Bet that's something you would only say in an anonymous online echochamber. If you had the courage to be like that IRL you might as well join the westboro baptist church. They aren't very nice to their women, hope your okay with that.

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It doesn't take all women. All it takes is for one woman to feel uncomfortable.


Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were the Emperor of America and were able to make that decision. Because if you weren't then the only person that cares if you, one woman, are uncomfortable in a public restroom, is your therapist.

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I hope you will give the same consideration to my feelings just as what you give to the trannies'.


Fact's don't give a fuck about your feelings. Direct your feelings to your therapist. Leave them out of political debate.

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Apr 17 2022 09:24pm
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Bet that's something you would only say in an anonymous online echochamber.


You don't know what I do in real life, loser.

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If you had the courage to be like that IRL you might as well join the westboro baptist church. They aren't very nice to their women, hope your okay with that.


I never said I would be actively discriminating against people (though this thought is very tempting). I am just saying that you shouldn't assume that tolerance is a universally accepted value. It's not. It's something that lefties came up with and prize. The rest of us have our own values that we cherish.

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Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were the Emperor of America and were able to make that decision.


If you are going to talk to me like this from now on, I can guarantee you that we won't be talking much at all.

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Because if you weren't then the only person that cares is you one woman is uncomfortable in a public restroom, is your therapist.


I am very happy to hear that you don't take my concerns and feelings into consideration. Wow, this conversation surely is productive.


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Fact's don't give a fuck about your feelings.


Except that allowing trannies to use the women's bathroom is not a fact. It's a stance. Please learn basic English.


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Apr 17 2022 09:37pm
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You don't know what I do in real life, loser.


When you have to restort namecalling at a 3rd grade level, that's when you know you've won the debate. Give yourself a pat on the back.

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I never said I would be actively discriminating against people (though this thought is very tempting). I am just saying that you shouldn't assume that tolerance is a universally accepted value. It's not. It's something that lefties came up with and prize. The rest of us have our own values that we cherish.


Leftists know that not everyone is tolerant, or want's tolerance. It's actually alarmingly clear to them, and none of them denied that so I have no idea why you feel the need to point it out.
If people were tolerant than then they would not have to fight for tolerance. Make sense? Cool.

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If you are going to talk to me like this from now on, I can guarantee you that we won't be talking much at all.



I am very happy to hear that you don't take my concerns and feelings into consideration. Wow, this conversation surely is productive.


Do you expect me to care about your bigoted feelings in a forum for political debate? I think you might be lost, do you know how you got here? You know nobody is making you stay here, right?

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Except that allowing trannies to use the women's bathroom is not a fact. It's a stance. Please learn basic English.


It's not only a fact, it's already legally protected in over a dozen states in America. You might be in one of those states right now and not even know it. But this is the hill you chose to die on.
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Apr 17 2022 09:51pm
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When you have to restort namecalling at a 3rd grade level, that's when you know you've won the debate. Give yourself a pat on the back.


First of all, I don't care about "winning" a debate. That's something you feel passionate about. Secondly, I am not calling you loser to "win" the debate. I call you loser because you are stupid for assuming what I do or don't do in real life, when you know pretty much next to nothing about me.


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Leftists know that not everyone is tolerant, or want's tolerance. It's actually alarmingly clear to them, and none of them denied that so I have no idea why you feel the need to point it out.


I don't give a shit what's clear to lefties or whether they want tolerance. We don't give a shit about you and your precious little tolerance. Got it?

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If people were tolerant than then they would not have to fight for tolerance. Make sense? Cool.


And maybe people don't give a shit about achieving tolerance? My god, it's like you can't read. I have made this amply obvious in the past 2 posts and yet here you are, still droning on about it.

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Do you expect me to care about your bigoted feelings in a forum for political debate?


If all you ever gonna do is call my feelings bigoted and dismiss them, then I am pretty sure there is no further talk. You very obviously prioritize trannies' feelings over mine. Thanks for clarifying your position and how everything's gonna be from now on.

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I think you might be lost, do you know how you got here? You know nobody is making you stay here, right?


Like I said, don't talk to me like that. If you want to talk to me, which I have a pretty strong gut feeling that you do, I highly recommend that you exercise a modicum of respect and courtesy. Do not talk condescendingly towards me. Yes, this is a political forum and highly controversial topics are being discussed. But that doesn't mean you have to be rude towards me. I expect decorum.
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It's not only a fact, it's already legally protected in over a dozen states in America.


Legal reality is still not the same as facts. I really think you failed your English 12.

Also, just because it's legally protected, it doesn't mean it's the way it's supposed to be, which is what we are discussing here. We are not talking about whether it's legal in some places for trannies to use women's washrooms. We are talking about whether they should be able to use women's washrooms, despite being biological males.



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