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nonsense is a very subjective term for example einstein thought bohr's idea was nonsense, bohr thought everett's idea was nonsense etc

so i propose we do it the old fashioned science way. if you dont like a theory, you dont cry how "you cant prove a negative", you instead offer a better theory ! for example, quantum theory makes no logical sense, its counterintuitive af (which is why einstein considered it nonsense). but it obviously works. and declaring yourself as antiquantum, although it sounds kinda funny, doesnt win you any arguments as you cant offer a better alternative. there is no better theory, so quantum theory is accepted

it is this simple: you have the fine tuning argument, what is your idea of dealing with it? if you reject creationism as nonsense, it seems a bit biased to think of parallel universes as non-nonsense, dont you think ?

edit: and everyone thought einstein's idea was nonsense. starting to think that a true genius really needs the trait of not giving a single fuck what others think

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Mar 29 2022 09:41am

let me introduce one of the top high priests of antitheism. this guy is supposed to be one of their top intellectuals. the blunder he makes is so huge its unbelievable. was he just being dishonest or is he really that dim.

Fact-Checking Sam Harris 2: Did Jesus Command Christians to Kill in Luke 19:27?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

the antitheists played their part in the process that made me a christian. how can a people get so much so wrong?

they're all conscious or in the know satanists, haven't you seen the video w/ hitchins, sam, and the whole scientism gang(dawkins) getting drunk off wine and bitching like nancies because they like most of this forum prey off naysaying w/o actual valid points of their own. This is not to glorify the bible because jesus did walk around w/ one. It's to say the only real debates are the ones that aren't being covered like pfizer vax trial results lolzzzz.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 30 2022 07:51pm

Here's my humble thought on this subject: I believe that the God as Christians would have us believe either doesn't exist, or he does, however he doesn't give a shit about us. Look around us, see how much suffering and misery there is. If God existed or he cared about us, he would never allow all this to happen to us, his creation. That said, I do allow for the possibility that God exists, simply because of the principle that anything can happen. Besides, I reason, if atheists are right that there is no God, then the universe necessarily came out of nothing-ness. If something as unbelievable as this happened, then suddenly the notion of there being an intelligent supreme being doesn't seem so far-fetched anymore.

"Oh my god" started out as a religious phrase, however through the passage of time and through use, it has lost its religious meaning. Now it's just a phrase that any English speaker can use. Just look at how many avowed atheists use this phrase.



I don't believe in unicorns but I still use this word. Sorry, your "logic" is crap.

it gets even weirder than that for our universe to exist at all, a lot of physical forces and constants needed to be in a perfect ratio so to say, to even get the chance for it to explode out of nothing. move a single thing for 0.001% and suddenly you cant create atoms or something that is known as the fine tuning argument and no one really opposes it, atheists solved it by creating the multiverse theory, theres a shitload of universes and we happen to be in the one that has the perfect constants really counterintuitive and there is no proof for it at all. so its basically a religion of atheists !

Creation is intelligent design, the valid question to ask is why the allowance of evil choices? even unto the innocent! But asking a valid question regarding why the dominion of evil on earth does not negate the god concept all together in fact is confirms the notion. What good christians are seeking to do is evidence that there is a more powerful benevolence god overlooking this strange simulacrum of reality. There is an absurd amount of evidence that satan is god of this world at every level however. To deny that is to either be entranced or consciously wicked.

Evidences for the benevolent creator would be the human bodies innate ability to heal.
A counter argument would be does it heal for the sake of torment or inevitable decay through sin(germs /spiritual vampirism)
Evidences of benevolent design would be feelings of joy or happiness which is very hard to naysay w/ a philosophical argument but also very hard to grasp for people born post 2012 control grid or mrna vax'd at birth.

Ok, questions that I have always wanted to ask atheists, are that, did the universe come out of nothing-ness? And if it did, what caused it to happen? And what was there, what existed before the universe was birthed?

I am not saying that I believe in creationism. I am just saying I have some questions. And I also know that the atheists' failure to answer these questions is not proof that God exists.

According to their theories based on some scientific evidence this is considered to be plausible ~ that the physical can manifest from the invisible. Some theories suggest that w/o space time that particles or certain matter can exist at every possible outcome simultaneously. But however you string theory splice it the same way a christian would say god created everything they would say another more complex(less understood) event caused the less complex event to occur so basically a collisions of either other dimensions or universes might be around their kind of explanation. Lately the talk has been about black holes creating things or matter from anti matter lol.

TLDRmost science is scientism and they string together theories based on nominal evidences, they are far more religious by their own standards.
The issue with all the theories is they attempt to distract from the more important philosophical notions which are a person's innate inability to grasp how a creator or irrational chaos(though mathematically implausible) could be the start of it all. it is very strange to try & consciously perceive non existence and equally so how god created or how god could have been created or always in existence as the causal point.But, a far more strange thing to marvel is why one can be conscious or exist but in a very anti conscious or anti existence reality aka a reality that attempts to destroy others or itself within it. (the dog eat dog world analogy).

If atheists weren't satanists then you should see a obsession with living forever or strong fear of dying and neither is the case which does not say much about their sense or respect for their own consciousness or seeking to remain "living".
The christians who are told they inherit eternal life are more interested in nurturing life with a healthy respect for death. if life is irrelevant because of chaos and death then they should be willing to cling to anything that can promise to satisfy their survival instinct, making the dog eat dog scenario irrelevant again so imo atheists are just entranced satanists with a very low survival instinct atleast w/ regard to their class structure. No doubt elites on private islands have their blood transfusions/skin graft human guinea pigs as their vudu vice.


The end game philosphical talking points would be why the war on consciosness, why exist only to be consumed by other malevolent existance(the dog eat dog world reference), etc
& Is it better to exist for the sake of torture or death or not exist at all. These kinds of questions are far harder to consider & answer than the concepts of god vs irrational chaos forming patterns as causal points of origin.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 30 2022 10:12pm