Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2021 04:22pm)

So in reality, the COVID vaccine is more similar to the typical Flu vaccine versus something like the polio vaccine which was a game changer.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 8 2021 05:11am)

What relevancy does this have when there's no ICU beds for you when you're in a car accident?

Quote (net @ 8 Sep 2021 19:28)

This is my point... Many of the ICU beds are being hogged by people that have COVID and it's almost as if the world forgot there's a shit load of other diseases and medical emergencies.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2021 07:22pm)

From the data I've seen yes, it lowers death rates, but spread? Idk, jury's still out on this, there are plenty of examples of spread exploding in highly vaccinated cases, that's why I mentioned Israel. My point still stands though, if you're vaccinated and I'm not I have no impact or negative risk to you because you are protected no? If you contract delta from a vaccinated or non vaccinated person it makes no difference.

You can't really compare all of these and throw them into one basket. The polio all but wiped out the disease, we're not even a year in and you're already seeing exploding cases of the COVID in vaccinated folk. I've already heard that we're going to need a 3rd and 4th shot and possibly boosters anywhere from annually to twice a year for a long time. So in reality, the COVID vaccine is more similar to the typical Flu vaccine versus something like the polio vaccine which was a game changer.

Quote (net @ 8 Sep 2021 19:40)

I agree and all data points to the fact that vaccinations do not impact a person's ability to carry the virus. They are not designed that way and this small fact is being ignored when the government is pushing the whole, "GET VAX'D OR YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHERS" agenda. It's just more division BS, just like BLM.

Quote (CDC)

-Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.

-Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2021 06:22pm)

From the data I've seen yes, it lowers death rates, but spread? Idk, jury's still out on this, there are plenty of examples of spread exploding in highly vaccinated cases, that's why I mentioned Israel. My point still stands though, if you're vaccinated and I'm not I have no impact or negative risk to you because you are protected no? If you contract delta from a vaccinated or non vaccinated person it makes no difference.

You can't really compare all of these and throw them into one basket. The polio all but wiped out the disease, we're not even a year in and you're already seeing exploding cases of the COVID in vaccinated folk. I've already heard that we're going to need a 3rd and 4th shot and possibly boosters anywhere from annually to twice a year for a long time. So in reality, the COVID vaccine is more similar to the typical Flu vaccine versus something like the polio vaccine which was a game changer.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Sep 8 2021 04:47pm)

Current science disagrees with you, source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

Quote (JessiWan @ 8 Sep 2021 19:48)

The CDC can be wrong, too.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2021 04:48pm)

It's all but certain that vaccination prevents spread to some degree. It's almost certainly not totally eliminated, but it is incredibly unlikely that vaccination doesn't help some.

Quote (JessiWan @ 8 Sep 2021 19:50)

The vaccines being helpful to some degree is not reason enough for this whole, "either you get jabbed or you lose your job" bullshit.