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Jan 12 2021 02:55pm
i think i'll go get some vodka and poutine
feeling kind of meh. things just keep getting weirder and weirder

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Jan 12 2021 03:01pm
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4 years of hearing about fascism...yawn.

How fragile are your arguments that the immediate response is to compare your political opponents to literally the worst political regime in the history of humanity.


and as ive said oh so many times there's that whole intentionally playing on the imagery of the Holocaust.

"trump is basically hitler"

ok so he's gonna murder a few million jews?

"no no no, i didnt say that, what i mean is if you look at the 12 cherry picked indicators of the rise of facism i can make a weak argument for him meeting all of them"

ok, but like there's been a lot of fascists, including more modern examples, that didnt also kill millions of jews

"yeah but when i say hitler u think of dead jews so it makes my argument carry more weight without me even having to argue more strongly, wait did i say that part out loud?"




people do this way too often, they know they want to subtly imply connections to the holocaust, they just dont like to admit it. that is 100% the reason Hitler is used, the holocaust.
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Jan 12 2021 03:04pm
Quote (youngs1n @ Jan 12 2021 03:45pm)
I’m so shocked people actually try to justify it.

I’m not American btw, but viewing this from the outside. People from all over the world, minus America, are dumbfounded and full of pity observing what’s going on in the USA right now.


Half of our country is in a collective trance... I don't know what can snap them out of it.
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Jan 12 2021 03:08pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 12 2021 04:04pm)
Half of our country is in a collective trance... I don't know what can snap them out of it.


is McDonald's currently serving McRibs?
if not
i think now might be the time
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Jan 12 2021 03:15pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 12 2021 02:46pm)
4 years of hearing about fascism...yawn.

How fragile are your arguments that the immediate response is to compare your political opponents to literally the worst political regime in the history of humanity.


Nice dodge.

Foreigners have a more objective opinion until it's something you disagree with.



Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 12 2021 03:01pm)
and as ive said oh so many times there's that whole intentionally playing on the imagery of the Holocaust.

"trump is basically hitler"

ok so he's gonna murder a few million jews?

"no no no, i didnt say that, what i mean is if you look at the 12 cherry picked indicators of the rise of facism i can make a weak argument for him meeting all of them"

ok, but like there's been a lot of fascists, including more modern examples, that didnt also kill millions of jews

"yeah but when i say hitler u think of dead jews so it makes my argument carry more weight without me even having to argue more strongly, wait did i say that part out loud?"

people do this way too often, they know they want to subtly imply connections to the holocaust, they just dont like to admit it. that is 100% the reason Hitler is used, the holocaust.


Yeah obviously we were totally wrong. Not like his first year he called a literal white supremacist rally where they chanted "Jews will not replace us" good people, and not like we had a rally full of people with Camp Auschwitz shirts plant bombs in the capitol building. There's definitely no reason to be concerned, and any fascist comparisons are totally unfounded.

Yep, definitely.

No legitimacy to that comparison.

Absolutely nothing to see here folks.


I mean if it was Romney I'd agree, and I called people who made Hitler comparisons in 2012 a loon as it was happening, although it was rare. This time your excessive need to be a centrist is making you say really silly things.
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Jan 12 2021 03:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 12 2021 03:15pm)
Nice dodge.

Foreigners have a more objective opinion until it's something you disagree with.





Yeah obviously we were totally wrong. Not like his first year he called a literal white supremacist rally where they chanted "Jews will not replace us" good people, and not like we had a rally full of people with Camp Auschwitz shirts plant bombs in the capitol building. There's definitely no reason to be concerned, and any fascist comparisons are totally unfounded.

Yep, definitely.

No legitimacy to that comparison.

Absolutely nothing to see here folks.


I mean if it was Romney I'd agree, and I called people who made Hitler comparisons in 2012 a loon as it was happening, although it was rare. This time your excessive need to be a centrist is making you say really silly things.


There's something deep in my bones that hates when people compare the death of millions, pits of smoldering hair and teeth, the theft of an entire culture's wealth, etc with some rednecks that carry tiki torches and sabre rattle because they lost their jobs to mexicans.

maybe that doesnt bother you, or maybe you just like how it makes a bad guy look worse and you just cant bring yourself to admit it.

am i the only person who has the History channel or just the only one with self respect? one can never tell these days.

edit: i'm generally STRONGLY in favor of the whole "equivalencies and comparisons arent the same, so stop nit picking me for my comparison being loose". i use a lot of loose comparisons to illustrate points. but there's a line.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 12 2021 03:19pm
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There's something deep in my bones that hates when people compare the death of millions, pits of smoldering hair and teeth, the theft of an entire culture's wealth, etc with some rednecks that carry tiki torches and sabre rattle because they lost their jobs to mexicans.

maybe that doesnt bother you, or maybe you just like how it makes a bad guy look worse and you just cant bring yourself to admit it.

am i the only person who has the History channel or just the only one with self respect? one can never tell these days.


I didn't even bring up Hitler lol. I said fascism. Hitler wasn't the only fascist, and there were plenty of fascists in America.

Regardless, I have no qualms of pointing out that Trump does speak to those who genuinely would do the things you describe. We had bombs in the capitol, molotov cocktails, and picture of a guy with zip ties. We had those same people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" so you're delusional if you think that kind of thinking isn't getting fed by Trump, even if it isn't his personal goal to have that kind of thing happen, and as a direct result we were one officer keeping them away from an open door away from that group doing whatever they wanted to our senators as they confirmed our election.

So I'd actually say you just aren't taking this seriously enough. It's a damn miracle we didn't have political murders of elected representatives last week.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 12 2021 03:24pm)
I didn't even bring up Hitler lol. I said fascism. Hitler wasn't the only fascist, and there were plenty of fascists in America.

Regardless, I have no qualms of pointing out that Trump does speak to those who genuinely would do the things you describe. We had bombs in the capitol, molotov cocktails, and picture of a guy with zip ties. We had those same people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" so you're delusional if you think that kind of thinking isn't getting fed by Trump, even if it isn't his personal goal to have that kind of thing happen, and as a direct result we were one officer keeping them away from an open door away from that group doing whatever they wanted to our senators as they confirmed our election.

So I'd actually say you just aren't taking this seriously enough. It's a damn miracle we didn't have political murders of elected representatives last week.


void is who i quoted, he referenced hitler, my post was an aside on a topic ive brought up many times. but its a topic i really do enjoy, so indulge me or not idc ill just keep talking.

Liberals just hate Trump so much they think he is an exception to Godwin's Law, all so you can circle jerk to people who already agree with your side lol. Invoking Hitler doesn't convince right wingers, it doesnt convince centrists, it just causes a spectrum of reactions ranging from ignoring to eyerolls to dismissal.

its been said im a centrist because i always need to be right, i dont wholly disagree but i'd phrase it that i always want to convince others of my viewpoint. The two biggest failures the parties have in the modern era is the left is intent on bringing up repeatedly that this is how Hitler got his start with the wry implication its heading our way if we dont all act now, and the right is insistent on acting like any left wing president past or near future will ever be as bad as Trump. Both are very Low IQ positions that only circle jerk one's own side.

in any case, ive also said many times since last week we did indeed dodge a bullet and we're lucky ISIS or some other organization didnt hop in the ranks and alu akbar the Senate Floor with a bomb.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 12 2021 03:33pm)
The number of times I've heard people discuss fascism as it relates to Trump vs. Hitler as it relates to Trump is probably 99 to 1.


resubmit.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 12 2021 03:34pm
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Jan 12 2021 03:33pm
The number of times I've heard people discuss fascism as it relates to Trump vs. Hitler as it relates to Trump is probably 99 to 1.

Maybe you guys need to start listening to serious people instead of... whatever else.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 12 2021 03:33pm
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Jan 12 2021 03:40pm
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/house-democrats-safety-worries/index.html

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(CNN)Members of Congress and staffers will have to walk through metal detectors in order to get onto the floor of the US House of Representatives, a senior Democratic aide told CNN Tuesday.

The development comes after multiple House Democrats told CNN they are worried about some of their Republican colleagues and that there have been multiple conversations about the need for every member of Congress and their guests to start going through metal detectors.

Capitol Police had set up metal detectors outside of the House floor as of Tuesday afternoon and all House members, staffers and aides will have to go through them, the aide said. A US Capitol Police source confirmed the measures are in place.

Acting House Sergeant-at-Arms Timothy Blodgett said in a memo to all members of Congress and their staffs that the metal detectors were being installed to ensure compliance with police regulations banning guns and incendiary devices from the chamber.


Totally normal, totally healthy.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 12 2021 03:41pm
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