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#311
Sep 21 2020 01:50pm
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I wonder if (D) will accusing Amy Barrett of "Boofing" and sexual assault in the coming weeks.


Why, was she in a fraternity? Those frst guys are all date rapists.
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Sep 21 2020 02:14pm
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Why, was she in a fraternity? Those frst guys are all date rapists.


Not sure of her college life. She might have went the Greek route.

She's a white Catholic woman with 7 (two adopted from Haiti), a long standing marriage, and is openly pro life.

She embodies just about everything that the left hates, She will be dragged through the mud if she's the selection and she's the front runner for that.

We'll see what comes of this inevitable smear campaign. Lets hope some whack job doesn't make an attempt at her life.
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Sep 21 2020 02:47pm
Quote (Skinned @ 21 Sep 2020 15:50)
Why, was she in a fraternity? Those frst guys are all date rapists.

this includes all the frats at hbcus too? way to showcase your racism and bigotry when you’re just really projecting

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Not sure of her college life. She might have went the Greek route.

She's a white Catholic woman with 7 (two adopted from Haiti), a long standing marriage, and is openly pro life.

She embodies just about everything that the left hates, She will be dragged through the mud if she's the selection and she's the front runner for that.

We'll see what comes of this inevitable smear campaign. Lets hope some whack job doesn't make an attempt at her life.

great post my friend! hope all is well
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Sep 22 2020 08:28am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 21 2020 08:59am)
And yet you skip over the part where both parties, when they've had the power, respected those norms to a large degree. There was always maneuvering at the edges and nuclear showdowns, but the fact is democrats held the house, senate and presidency under Obama and the republicans held the house, senate and presidency under Trump- and neither ended the legislative filibuster, neither packed the courts, neither tyrannized the minority to the fullest extent they could in the name of power. Even when the minority party obstructed, they've let through numerous picks they could have held up- they gave Bush many judges, they gave Obama many judges, it was never 100% blockaded. I think you underestimate how much room there still is for civil compromise and respect for the checks and balances of the republic even in some of the most hyperpartisan times since the civil war. The fact is that neither side is willing to do everything. And even now the democrats screaming about the potential of being tyrants if they took power, is rightly controversial and getting some measure of rebuke from moderates on both sides.

you can't excuse the arsonists who want to burn down democracy with no holds barred just because there's always been some level of rancor and strife


Republicans denying Obama his pick and flip-flopping to give Trump his ends all that. Expanding the court by 2 seats is a measured escalation. There's no use in pretending we're not a country that is deeply polarized and dysfunctional. The incentives for politicians, especially Republicans, is not to compromise. It's to go on Fox News and call your opponents evil.

The argument for ending the filibuster to me is very convincing. Let's make governance possible for the party in power... and if voters don't like it, they will put the other party in power. Hell, Republicans couldn't even manage 50 votes to repeal Obamacare. That's because they rushed the process and voters don't want it repealed. America isn't going to end if we make it possible for majorities to legislate.
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Sep 22 2020 08:36am
Quote (IceMage @ 22 Sep 2020 16:28)
Republicans denying Obama his pick and flip-flopping to give Trump his ends all that. Expanding the court by 2 seats is a measured escalation. There's no use in pretending we're not a country that is deeply polarized and dysfunctional. The incentives for politicians, especially Republicans, is not to compromise. It's to go on Fox News and call your opponents evil.

The argument for ending the filibuster to me is very convincing. Let's make governance possible for the party in power... and if voters don't like it, they will put the other party in power. Hell, Republicans couldn't even manage 50 votes to repeal Obamacare. That's because they rushed the process and voters don't want it repealed. America isn't going to end if we make it possible for majorities to legislate.


Court packing is a pandora's box that will never be closed again once it's been opened. The next time Republicans get into charge, they'll add seats to the court again to offset the Democrats' court packing, and so on and forth. By 2032, the Supreme Court will be a bloated abomination with several dozen justices...

Also, what makes you so confident that Democrats would only go for the measured escalation of 2 additional seats (bringing the court to a 6-5 conservative lean) instead of going for 4 (thus bringing a liberal majority to the court)? You know that large parts of the party and its base will call for that kind of disproportional escalation, and that they'd be cheered and encouraged to go for it by their media allies.
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Sep 22 2020 08:37am
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/24/ginsburg-expand-supreme-court-1428426

who are the Democrats to go against the confirmed guidance of SC justice RGB????
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Sep 22 2020 08:39am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 22 2020 09:28am)
Republicans denying Obama his pick and flip-flopping to give Trump his ends all that. Expanding the court by 2 seats is a measured escalation. There's no use in pretending we're not a country that is deeply polarized and dysfunctional. The incentives for politicians, especially Republicans, is not to compromise. It's to go on Fox News and call your opponents evil.

The argument for ending the filibuster to me is very convincing. Let's make governance possible for the party in power... and if voters don't like it, they will put the other party in power. Hell, Republicans couldn't even manage 50 votes to repeal Obamacare. That's because they rushed the process and voters don't want it repealed. America isn't going to end if we make it possible for majorities to legislate.


this entire argument of "well it was done once so it's fine forever" has always been silly. if grandma tells you its fine to take a cookie from the jar that means its fine for your sister to do so too. it doesnt mean u should grab a cookie every 10 minutes, especially if you're 3 cookies up on your sister.

people lean too heavily on the excuse of precedent, when we can all tell it's more greed than actual morally justified adherence to norms.

and in any case we've lost generally the idea of middle ground, it's a potus putting up a non-center judge and getting them confirmed or not confirmed. whereas in the past presidents have been happy to offer up a moderate so their choice would get selected if the opposition wasn't their party in senate. but polarization makes this all but impossible. and i think sadly gay marriage will be one of the last civil rights landmarks we'll see in a long time as the SCOTUS will be too busy settling squabbles for decades to come from deeply entrenched wings of that polarized govt.
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Sep 22 2020 08:41am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 22 2020 10:36am)
Court packing is a pandora's box that will never be closed again once it's been opened. The next time Republicans get into charge, they'll add seats to the court again to offset the Democrats' court packing, and so on and forth. By 2032, the Supreme Court will be a bloated abomination with several dozen justices...

Also, what makes you so confident that Democrats would only go for the measured escalation of 2 additional seats (bringing the court to a 6-5 conservative lean) instead of going for 4 (thus bringing a liberal majority to the court)? You know that large parts of the party and its base will call for that kind of disproportional escalation, and that they'd be cheered and encouraged to go for it by their media allies.


It's been opened before in American history and closed.

If your argument is that we're never going to get back to an America where moderates who care about norms run things... that means Democrats need to act accordingly. Fight fire with fire.

Your scenario is possible, that it'll just be a back and forth of expanding the court, but it's just as(or more) likely there's some compromise struck with a future opening to balance the court and bring back normalcy.

I'm not even sure Democrats would add seats if they control the Senate and White House. But if they did, they would add as few as possible. This is Joe Biden's party.
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#319
Sep 22 2020 08:45am
Also worth considering the scenario that Trump wins... and all these hypotheticals are moot. Then we'll have half the country rejecting the court's legitimacy.

Maybe electing a corrupt, divisive madman wasn't smart for the health of American democracy.
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Sep 22 2020 08:49am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 22 2020 09:45am)
Also worth considering the scenario that Trump wins... and all these hypotheticals are moot. Then we'll have half the country rejecting the court's legitimacy.

Maybe electing a corrupt, divisive madman wasn't smart for the health of American democracy.


i mean, put it on the pile.

no one has had confidence in congress/senate for decades, but if anything Trump has given the left hope that these bodies can at least act to control Trump in a way. still they're broken.

EO's are at an insane rate, and only half of the country is happy, the other half livid, every time one is signed by a potus.

half of the country is losing faith in cops, half are gaining faith in it.

everything happening in govt is getting sliced in half, at least the court has a chance to eventually come back. unlike cops, liberals are never going to like cops again, its just not a safe opinion. congress is always going to suck, and get less and less done every session.

and really people havent ever had much faith in govt or the court other than wartime or landmark civil rights judgements, and even then half of the country is mad gays can get married or schools have to let in blacks.
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