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Mar 21 2016 05:04pm
Quote (Scaly @ Mar 21 2016 07:02pm)
'perceived discomfort '? Come on now... You're being dishonest again.


...always butting in where you're not wanted seems to be a pattern for you...I am having a discussion with Nathan .
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Mar 21 2016 05:05pm
Quote (j0ltk0la @ Mar 21 2016 05:53pm)
Lol, yeah right, that's only if you're fat.


You can't outrun a bad diet my brutha.
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Mar 21 2016 05:06pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 03:59pm)
...they aren't morally equivalent to me because animal torture for the sake of torture is not the same as the perceived discomfort of factory farmed animals before they get a steel bolt through the brain in a quick death .


It's not "perceived discomfort". Watch a documentary on the horrific conditions of farmed animals. They go through hell on Earth. And they have sentience... nervous systems capable of feeling pain just as we do. And we torture them in the hundreds of billions.

Actually, the pain and suffering that an animal goes through in the average "sadistic" torturing, isn't even as bad as what many farmed animals go through.
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Mar 21 2016 05:08pm
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It's not "perceived discomfort". Watch a documentary on the horrific conditions of farmed animals. They go through hell on Earth. And they have sentience... nervous systems capable of feeling pain just as we do. And we torture them in the hundreds of billions.

Actually, the pain and suffering that an animal goes through in the average "sadistic" torturing, isn't even as bad as what many farmed animals go through.


...do rabbits and squirrels and birds have sentience ?
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Mar 21 2016 05:09pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 04:08pm)
...do rabbits and squirrels and birds have sentience ?


Yes. We have the same amount of evidence that a rabbit or a squirrel is sentient, as any single human does that all other humans around him or her are sentient.
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Mar 21 2016 05:12pm
Quote (Nathan @ Mar 21 2016 04:06pm)
It's not "perceived discomfort". Watch a documentary on the horrific conditions of farmed animals. They go through hell on Earth. And they have sentience... nervous systems capable of feeling pain just as we do. And we torture them in the hundreds of billions.

Actually, the pain and suffering that an animal goes through in the average "sadistic" torturing, isn't even as bad as what many farmed animals go through.


Are you against eating animals in general, or just certain farming practices? Is it OK to eat wild or free-range animals?
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Mar 21 2016 05:14pm
Quote (Nathan @ Mar 21 2016 07:09pm)
Yes. We have the same amount of evidence that a rabbit or a squirrel is sentient, as any single human does that all other humans around him or her are sentient.


...yet you eat farmed vegetation as a matter of course ; how do you handle the obvious emotional conflict this must cause you ?
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Mar 21 2016 05:17pm
Quote (russian @ Mar 21 2016 04:12pm)
Are you against eating animals in general, or just certain farming practices? Is it OK to eat wild or free-range animals?


I'm not okay with the practice of eating animals period in a world where we have the option not to at no expense to ourselves, and not only at no expense to ourselves, but at a reduced expense. It takes like 10 times less clean water per calorie of food produced to produce vegan food than animal products.

More ethical practices would be an improvement, but not the solution. The ultimate fate of these animals is still that we kill them for pleasure, which is unacceptable.

By the way, animal products labelled "free-range" are anything but. That's a stupid marketing gimmick. They are still treated horribly, they are by no means [always, or even usually] on an actual free range.
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Mar 21 2016 05:20pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 04:14pm)
...yet you eat farmed vegetation as a matter of course ; how do you handle the obvious emotional conflict this must cause you ?


Is this another one of those gotchas that end in you informing me that some plastic parts in my computer contain animal byproducts?

I reduce the suffering I cause to animals as far as is possible and practical. My guess is that if I say I eat vegetables without qualms and then you tell me they were fertilized with manure you think it means I have no room to speak.
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 07:14pm)
...yet you eat farmed vegetation as a matter of course ; how do you handle the obvious emotional conflict this must cause you ?


We must eat something to survive. The suffering and harm caused by factory farming is orders of magnitude greater than from vegetable farming.
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