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Feb 25 2015 03:46pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 04:33pm)
hello there, the question would be what are "legitimate reasons"


Due to suppressed immune system

Age

Allergies

Medical Reasons <--
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Feb 25 2015 03:51pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 04:33pm)
hello there, the question would be what are "legitimate reasons"


People who have diseases or are on medications that suppress the immune system namely, people on steroids for whatever reason, leukemia and other types of cancer, other variations depending on the individual vaccination. There are people who cannot take them, and they should be able to go to school with safe expectations.
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Feb 25 2015 03:53pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 25 2015 04:40pm)
Because your opinion of how a child is raised in a proper manner is as subjective as someone elses. Obvious signs of abuse and longterm harm aside alot of this stuff is just the majority's opinion vs the minorities opinion. Even a bruised ass from beatings was acceptable 40 years ago, now its 3-5 and the loss of your kids.


it's not my opinion i'm talking about

i'm talking about society as a whole and what we deem adequate when it comes to looking after your children, if you don't meet the minimum standards whatever they may be for a given era, then the state should step in in order to look after the well being of a child

Quote (southpark247 @ Feb 25 2015 04:46pm)
Due to suppressed immune system

Age

Allergies

Medical Reasons <--


all reasonable ^_^

This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 25 2015 03:54pm
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Feb 25 2015 04:06pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 03:53pm)
it's not my opinion i'm talking about

i'm talking about society as a whole and what we deem adequate when it comes to looking after your children, if you don't meet the minimum standards whatever they may be for a given era, then the state should step in in order to look after the well being of a child



all reasonable ^_^


by your own description a passing of time = changes in acceptable parenting. However these changes dont come in phases they are constantly changing making governmental intervention rather subjective in alot of cases. Why is it the government gets to tell a parent they cant use a switch on a child when it can be used without long term physical scarring? Because the general population says so? If i put out a mail in flyer that asked if the government should 100% stop taking in taxes the general consensus would be to stop taxes and yet that would cause anarchy with a governmental collapse. I dont think any legislation should stand solely on the leg of societal norms. Long term physical harm will always be a societal taboo, degrading verbal abuse will also. That is where the govt. should stop in terms of parental intervention.
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Feb 25 2015 04:38pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 25 2015 05:06pm)
by your own description a passing of time = changes in acceptable parenting. However these changes dont come in phases they are constantly changing making governmental intervention rather subjective in alot of cases. Why is it the government gets to tell a parent they cant use a switch on a child when it can be used without long term physical scarring? Because the general population says so? If i put out a mail in flyer that asked if the government should 100% stop taking in taxes the general consensus would be to stop taxes and yet that would cause anarchy with a governmental collapse. I dont think any legislation should stand solely on the leg of societal norms. Long term physical harm will always be a societal taboo, degrading verbal abuse will also. That is where the govt. should stop in terms of parental intervention.


i agree it is subjective and that's simply how things are, the laws are also constantly changing over time to reflect this

society's attitudes towards corporal punishment is a good example of this, societal norms will always play a significant role in legislative processes

if you can bring about the downfall of the govt by circulating a few flyers i'd say go for it but i doubt you'll find a consensus that taxes should be reduced to zero

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Feb 25 2015 04:49pm
Quote (Skinned @ Feb 25 2015 03:14pm)
I am just saying that if there is enough discussion between individuals the most rational course will be apparent.

I don't think people should be able to do what they want because of a gut feeling or emotional imperative when it can adversely affect another person.


I think this notion is preposterous. How far are you allowed to stretch the concept of "adversely affecting someone?" What about extent?

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 25 2015 03:14pm)
The premise of Rawls's Original Position is that everyone would pick the same answer (the logical answer). That doesn't necessarily mean that the Original Position on this issue would be forced vaccination, however...


But how reasonable is the original position in the first place? The simple fact is that people DO have different experiences and values that drive their decision-making, they do not have a shared starting point.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 25 2015 03:17pm)
I was already asked that question and tried to have that conversation but they dodged the f*** out of it


Long thread, I'm sorry. Where at? I've been busy getting this new signature vvv

Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 03:53pm)
it's not my opinion i'm talking about

i'm talking about society as a whole and what we deem adequate when it comes to looking after your children, if you don't meet the minimum standards whatever they may be for a given era, then the state should step in in order to look after the well being of a child


So, mob rule? Exactly where do rights come into play? Only when you find them convenient?
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Feb 25 2015 04:52pm
Quote (Santara @ Feb 25 2015 05:49pm)
So, mob rule? Exactly where do rights come into play? Only when you find them convenient?

said mob is why you have any rights at all
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Feb 25 2015 04:59pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 04:52pm)
said mob is why you have any rights at all


You know, of course, that I've always disagreed with this notion. <_<
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Feb 25 2015 05:02pm
Quote (Santara @ Feb 25 2015 05:59pm)
You know, of course, that I've always disagreed with this notion. <_<


you've probably mentioned it before and i just can't remember so tell me again, who guarantees your rights if not the mob (who you are a member of given that you're a citizen of the state and all)?
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Feb 25 2015 05:26pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 25 2015 05:02pm)
you've probably mentioned it before and i just can't remember so tell me again, who guarantees your rights if not the mob (who you are a member of given that you're a citizen of the state and all)?


My rights exist independent of the state. That the state chooses to observe them and codify that observation is good for both of us, as they won't get people hurt violating them and I won't get hurt defending them.
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