Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 8 2023 09:21pm)

It's not a cheap appeal to emotion, you are putting a negative spin on it.

When news reports atrocities anywhere, sometimes they show pictures, other times they merely narrate events that their reporters saw. Is that also an appeal to emotions? I guess we are never allowed to talk about human tragedies because to you that is a logical fallacy.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 8 2023 05:51pm)

Irrelevant question. You want to frame the argument of ownership based on who was there first, but want to omit most history?




No but life isn't fair, never has been. Sometimes your people domineer others for centuries and force the locals out, just because centuries later the descendants of those people come back doesn't make the latter act unfair.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 8 2023 06:17pm)

holy mother of all triggers lmao :rofl:

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i am just calling it what it is, its a war of religion and nothing else, islam does not tolerate anyone else

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palestinians wouldnt have done shit if a bunch of muslims arrived and their movement is only a thing, because antisemite trash in the west and the oil states throw some money at them

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yes, the cavedwellers are jealous as fuck watching better people turning dirt into a modern country

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and now they act like something was taken from them, when (as other people mentioned) they stole "their land" themselves

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gtfo with your hamas propaganda

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During World War I the great powers made a number of decisions concerning the future of Palestine without much regard to the wishes of the indigenous inhabitants. Palestinian Arabs, however, believed that Great Britain had promised them independence in the Ḥusayn-McMahon correspondence, an exchange of letters from July 1915 to March 1916 between Sir Henry McMahon, British high commissioner in Egypt, and Ḥusayn ibn ʿAlī, then emir of Mecca, in which the British made certain commitments to the Arabs in return for their support against the Ottomans during the war. Yet by May 1916 Great Britain, France, and Russia had reached an agreement (the Sykes-Picot Agreement) according to which, inter alia, the bulk of Palestine was to be internationalized. Further complicating the situation, in November 1917 Arthur Balfour, the British secretary of state for foreign affairs, addressed a letter to Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild (the Balfour Declaration) expressing sympathy for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people on the understanding that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.” This declaration did not come about through an act of generosity or stirrings of conscience over the bitter fate of the Jewish people. It was meant, in part, to prompt American Jews to exercise their influence in moving the United States to support British postwar policies as well as to encourage Russian Jews to keep their nation fighting

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 8 2023 06:25pm)

Ok so what does it have to do with the ownership of land discussion we had?

Are you able to comprehend how it's a non-sequitur?

Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Oct 8 2023 09:28pm)

“Fair” is not at play in this situation. It’s about humane action. Colonialism is inhumane by definition and it’s always “unfair” to those being invaded. And anyone who thinks somehow the israelis had claim to that land “forever” is delusional. Theoretically, the Jews kicked out the groups of people that were there before them. So them expelling those ancient peoples was their god given right?

And in the end, that’s all this is. A bunch of overzealous punks who think their god is better than everyone else’s. When you look at it from a distance, it is quite pathetic. Basically kids arguing that Superman is better than Batman, while simultaneously pretending that they aren’t relatives.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 8 2023 06:47pm)

So the Jews didn’t have claim then who has rightful claim then and by what logic?

In reality power is the ultimate decider of what goes. The country or empire that has the physical means to hold a territory, that’s who the territory belongs to. It’s the ultimate law in nature.

Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 8 2023 06:51pm)

What a load of bullshit.

If I can physically force you out of your home, your home is now my property?

Quote (majorblood @ Oct 8 2023 06:54pm)

yea, unless a greater power prevents him from doing it (generally the state) then who is going to stop it?

Israel exists because it has support from great powers, no other reason.