Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 5 2023 08:26am)

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 5 2023 08:31am)

This entire thing is a terrible self own by the left, and honestly will make people forget who Desantis is. the left's best hopes for 2024 was to fan the flames of Ron vs Don so much that enmity actually develops in the GOP when it comes time for general election. they constantly make the same mistake, over and over. "i'm going to keep focusing on what i think is a big deal, and if that fails ill move on to what i think you should think is a big deal, that'll change your mind".

the leaked Tucker texts about him hating trump probably had more effect than years of looming prosecutions, looming impeachment, etc.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 5 2023 09:31am)

This entire thing is a terrible self own by the left, and honestly will make people forget who Desantis is. the left's best hopes for 2024 was to fan the flames of Ron vs Don so much that enmity actually develops in the GOP when it comes time for general election. they constantly make the same mistake, over and over. "i'm going to keep focusing on what i think is a big deal, and if that fails ill move on to what i think you should think is a big deal, that'll change your mind".

the leaked Tucker texts about him hating trump probably had more effect than years of looming prosecutions, looming impeachment, etc.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 5 2023 08:31am)

This entire thing is a terrible self own by the left, and honestly will make people forget who Desantis is. the left's best hopes for 2024 was to fan the flames of Ron vs Don so much that enmity actually develops in the GOP when it comes time for general election. they constantly make the same mistake, over and over. "i'm going to keep focusing on what i think is a big deal, and if that fails ill move on to what i think you should think is a big deal, that'll change your mind".

the leaked Tucker texts about him hating trump probably had more effect than years of looming prosecutions, looming impeachment, etc.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2023 08:36am)

The left self-owned to make Trump president in the first place with Hillary's pied piper strategy. Have you considered they might be making the same miscalculation? If the impact of their persecution is to unite the entire GOP behind Trump, and they believe it will weaken him enough to defeat him in the general election, and they still believe Desantis to be the stronger candidate- perhaps we're just replaying the exact same mistake all over again. Democrats are certainly capable of that grand naivety

Quote (tman65ky @ Apr 5 2023 08:40am)

If this comes out to be a political hit job, which I think it is, then Bragg should not only be out as Manhattan DA but disbarred as well at a minimum.

Quote (Budgeting @ Apr 5 2023 08:38am)

why is it that the republicans can shore up phony investigations and literally not do anything else (see jim jordan, mtg, kevin mccarthy,) etc. it doesnt mean anything? last time i checked this new republican house majority is just a circus show of people still trying to give trump power even while out of office.

if somebody broke the law they should be punished accordingly to the severity of it.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 5 2023 08:54am)

you wont hear me argue that congressional investigations are bad for the country. they're a massive waste of time and resources as the legislature skirts real work to fix real issues.
as to the law however, from what ive read this all amounts to nothing but paying a fine in this specific case. similar to: https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784
there's an idea that paying for sex workers or even lying somehow amplifies this. i doubt it from what we've seen thusfar.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2023 09:07am)

that's under the limitation of good faith prosecutorial discretion and the system working as normal and intended
what if instead of fining Obama's campaign, they tallied up every slip of paper they could find referencing these late/missing campaign reports and charged Obama with 5621 different felony counts totaling 22,484 years in prison?


If anything the sex angle actually helps exonerate Trump here because this is a scandal with an explicit precedent instead of being grey area of the law. We already know for a fact the FEC has declared hush money paid to mistresses to be personal expenses and prosecuted someone for using campaign funds on it

Quote (TiStuff @ 4 Apr 2023 21:49)

ya ..........majority of leftie clowns gona carry him over the finish line.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ Apr 5 2023 12:20am)

It is hilarious seeing people celebrate this like it's justice when they voted for someone who committed the same crimes.

I'm not against this either. I wish they shared the same energy when it came to their own party. Both sides are fucked but the mentally ill TDS weirdos are blinded by stupidity and the pathetic idea that they are somehow on the good side of a shit sandwich.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2023 12:16am)

Lets say Bragg drags this out and Trump campaigns for the presidency under its cloud and it 'costs him a percentage or two'. If he wins anyway, it won't matter, and with luck we could flush this sorry escapade into the history books. But if he loses, what would happen to our democracy? The use of direct, baseless weaponization of law enforcement to persecute your rivals to win elections? Or worse, they actually try to lock Trump up during the election. I mean, it doesn't matter how phony the charges are, even if CNN calls it, because in New York a judge and jury would convict Trump on charges of necromancy and insulting the prophet muhammed (peace be upon him).

Do you think, on the backdrop of a population in a plummeting qualify of life and economy, as we're poised to lose our geopolitical hegemony to China, that our democracy can actually survive this? The fact is, the constitution is just a piece of paper. Democracy comes from a shared civic identity and collective deference to our rule of law. If our democracy becomes truly delegitimized in the eyes of the public, no amount of handwringing by the liberal media would calm everyones tits. Take a population already riled up, one with growing dissatisfaction, then try to blow up our elections right in front of them? We're not europe, we don't have a history of tolerance for authoritarian regimes dressed up in democratic pretense and embracing bullshit like ASBOs, hate speech laws, 'macron's article 49.3'


There's a lot to be said for those hypotheticals of 'charging a different, better case first' or finding a better excuse, or the off-ramps that still exist to avoid this constitutional crisis. Maybe the arithmetic would be different if Trump were credibly accused of an actual crime, but we're in this position where even the liberal side openly acknowledges how contrived this is. So the public can't just brush it aside as another scandal, another partisan grievance to take dueling sides. Even the Georgia case, no matter how much it infringes on the 1st amendment, at least concerned actual shameful conduct by Trump. And we're still in a position where Bragg could back down or implode, saner courts could intervene and strike this all down before it can taint an election. So there are still recourses that exist