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Jul 15 2019 04:19pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 15 2019 05:10pm)
Telling a person from a different country who hates american values and wants to turn it into a socialist shithole to go back to their country and fix that first is not racist. Its not about race.
Its about nationality and ideology.

You already admitted thats what the situation and comments are predicated on.
You choosing to not care about distinctions doesn't remove those differences from existing.

Trump supporters are colloquially referred to as nazis and fascists and white supremacists by many people.
That doesn't make them nazis or white supremacists. Thats not how facts work.

If i tell piers morgan to fuck off back to his country because i dont like him ranting about gun control, its not about race or racism.
if i bash saucy and make comments about him being a french white flag waving soyboy, thats not racist either.

Somalian socialist isn't a race. Not even if there are historical examples of people conflating the two.

I have no interest in playing into the 'everything i dont like is racist' narrative.


But clearly have an interest in pretending a typical racist trope isn't actually racist.

Trump's tweet didn't just single out Omar... it said Congresswomen. So your argument immediately falls flat, because the other three progressive Congresswomen were born here. But the assumption that they weren't is part of what makes the tweet racist. And I don't know how disconnected right-wingers are from common knowledge that they can't see how "go back to Mexico, go back to Africa, go back to your own country" aren't typical racist lines.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 15 2019 04:21pm
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 15 2019 06:14pm)
I don't think those are really comparable examples The issue is one of an immigrant living as a naturalized citizen in a country other than their birth. Piers and Saucy both live in their birth countries.
Lets say that Ocasio-Cortez tweeted that Elaine Chao should "go back to Taiwan". Would that be labeled racist by the republicans? You bet your ass. Instantly, and paraded around and plastered on banners for all to see.
Just because racism is obviously stretched to be a meaningless catch-all label doesn't mean that it should have only a laser-beam focused narrow meaning.

Nationality and skin color are tied up in the colloquial use of racism, or else everyone would be splitting hairs all the time over 'brown isn't a race'


I don't care if Piers or Ilhan planted themselves in the ground wrapped in the American flag and mated with a bald eagle.
I'm still going to want them to fuck off out of the country, i'm still going to disagree with their leftism, and its still not going to be racist.
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Jul 15 2019 04:27pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 15 2019 06:19pm)
But clearly have an interest in pretending a typical racist trope isn't actually racist.

Trump's tweet didn't just single out Omar... it said Congresswomen. So your argument immediately falls flat, because the other three progressive Congresswomen were born here. But the assumption that they weren't is part of what makes the tweet racist. And I don't know how disconnected right-wingers are from common knowledge that they can't see how "go back to Mexico, go back to Africa, go back to your own country" aren't typical racist lines.


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Jul 15 2019 04:28pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 15 2019 03:58pm)
none of this is a troll

Pres Obama did say those things
you’re a resister
you’re a privileged lefty

imagine approaching 40 like yourself and you deny math because your feeling get in the way *LAUGH OUT LOUD*


Resister to what exactly?
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Jul 15 2019 04:28pm
Quote (QcSoHot @ Jul 15 2019 03:27pm)
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Jul 15 2019 04:29pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 15 2019 06:19pm)
But clearly have an interest in pretending a typical racist trope isn't actually racist.

Trump's tweet didn't just single out Omar... it said Congresswomen. So your argument immediately falls flat, because the other three progressive Congresswomen were born here. But the assumption that they weren't is part of what makes the tweet racist. And I don't know how disconnected right-wingers are from common knowledge that they can't see how "go back to Mexico, go back to Africa, go back to your own country" aren't typical racist lines.


Wait
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wait
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Wait just A MOMENT

SO ARE YOU SAYING that you cannot distinguish between modern, contemporary concerns, and HISTORICALLY TYPICAL VIEWS
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Jul 15 2019 04:30pm
Mmm, Qc's first totally annihilating zinger. This is why I never lost a case
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Jul 15 2019 05:21pm
Quote (IceMage @ 15 Jul 2019 18:19)
But clearly have an interest in pretending a typical racist trope isn't actually racist.

Trump's tweet didn't just single out Omar... it said Congresswomen. So your argument immediately falls flat, because the other three progressive Congresswomen were born here. But the assumption that they weren't is part of what makes the tweet racist. And I don't know how disconnected right-wingers are from common knowledge that they can't see how "go back to Mexico, go back to Africa, go back to your own country" aren't typical racist lines.

one wasn’t born in America and hates America, the other three were born here and hate America and prefer nation-states like Cuba, Venezuela, and the former Soviet Union

a self-confessed snarky privileged lefty from the suburbs is not the arbiter on racism

Besides which “Fix that country if you like it better” is much better than how you view our President Obama and President Trump, which is “why won’t these guys bomb more countries so my lineage can make more money for me to inherit”
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Jul 15 2019 05:32pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 15 2019 06:19pm)
But clearly have an interest in pretending a typical racist trope isn't actually racist.

Trump's tweet didn't just single out Omar... it said Congresswomen. So your argument immediately falls flat, because the other three progressive Congresswomen were born here. But the assumption that they weren't is part of what makes the tweet racist. And I don't know how disconnected right-wingers are from common knowledge that they can't see how "go back to Mexico, go back to Africa, go back to your own country" aren't typical racist lines.


You're still holding onto that racist tweet card, aren't you? lol

Let's change that narrative and see how your outrage holds up.

America becomes a third-world shithole due to declining healthcare, working conditions, and lack of production. People start fleeing to other countries, called "whitebacks". Some of these "whitebacks" gain local and popular support in a neighboring country to influence local elections and are magically exempt from unlawful actions, because, I dunno, their skin is white (herr-durrr, brown skin, reeeee). Canadian citizens are not allowed to determine how many of them are living in Canada for if they ask, they are racist. These same people start demanding benefits and rights in Canada. Canada's economy and budget is already bursting at the seams, but these rumbustious whitebacks don't care. They want what Canada can give them. Fuck the Canadian taxpayer. "What can Canada give me? I barged my way in, now I expect what I should have."

Why should any of these "asylum seekers" stop at America? Why not continue north and go over the North Pole? I hear Russia has lots of room.

As I've said before and time again: you're game'd. But something tells me you don't mind being game'd because you're in on the game. You can't swallow your pride and the Democratic party is so fucked up and un-American that you have no choice other than to dig your heels in, double down, and go down with the ship. The Democrats are so out of touch with the working class American that they have to import foreign nationals to become their base.

This post was edited by CarsV on Jul 15 2019 05:37pm
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Jul 15 2019 05:37pm
You guys are so exhausting lol

What's ice have to do with the dem party?

Also lol @ this dude coming up with a whiteback story
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