Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 3 2026 10:05am)

i didnt do any of that stuff...........

Quote (addone @ Jul 2 2026 06:08pm)

Health concerns is usually number #1 reason why people quit
#2 Major disruptions in life such as family, job and social impact.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11626824/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772724624000842

Many people quit because they grow up and decide to be mature adults, get a respectable job, start a family, get into social circles where being an alcoholic is frowned upon. Etc
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6713001/

Its got nothing to do with god. Your question poses its got something to do with invisible jesus but you haven't demonstrated that to be the case. Jesus smuggling into the question without justification is a grifting tactic.

Quote (addone @ Jul 2 2026 03:18pm)

There are millions of people who quit cold turkey and don't use anything, while you using god excuse. I just listed those things because they are helpful tools that people CAN use to overcome addiction, but not mandatory.

All you are doing is adding extra steps. The point you are missing you don't need to use anything. You can just as easily use nothing but your own willpower, no need for any gods, meditation, prayer, yoga, detox programs, go to a retreat, AA meetings etc etc. They can be helpful but not required.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 3 2026 11:03am)

things you describe is called a works process. most of it fails

what i got is called a gift.
Matthew 7:11
King James Version
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Quote (addone @ Jul 2 2026 07:22pm)

No one said quitting was supposed to be easy. Some people struggle some don't. But you cannot deny millions who successfully overcame addiction without magical jesus.

Also its not called "works process" or "a gift" its a term you just invented. All it is a person making a decision to stop drinking. You cannot "gift" them a recovery like a pair of socks LOL

Quote (D_urRRR @ Jul 3 2026 11:35am)

Still waiting to hear how this proves Jesus never existed.

Quote (addone @ Jul 2 2026 08:14pm)

How can I disprove something that wasn't proven in the first place? Why don't you show me how you prove Huitzilopochtli doesn't exist and I will use your same methodology on your god.

Quote (D_urRRR @ Jul 2 2026 08:35pm)

Still waiting to hear how this proves Jesus never existed.

Quote (x_h @ Jul 2 2026 08:18pm)

No one can prove Jesus never existed.

Quote (D_urRRR @ Jul 2 2026 09:20pm)

I know, yet he still claims he never existed.

Quote (D_urRRR @ Jul 2 2026 09:16pm)

Jesus is alive addone and you'll continue proving the gospel true through your actions.