There is no other choice than drowning the kitty

It's personal for him. He's jealous that the UK > France

The weight of Brexit: Leave vote is higher in areas of higher obesity... Sad, infidel.

well, obesity, poverty, and lower education are strongly connected - so that shouldn't really be a surprise...

I'm giving 1 free shit post for 1 free shit post, i hope you will not blame me for this, UK has a real obesity issue anyway.

So the chick that got refused entry by the UK, Shamima Begum, has a husband (they married whilst in Syria), called Yago Riedijk. That guy has the Dutch nationality. He wants him and his family back in the Netherlands. He's already been convicted in absentia of participating in a terrorist organization and convicted to 6 years in prison.

https://news.sky.com/video/share-11654196

Overall sentiments are very mixed. There's a large group of people who are in favor of letting them rot in Syria or wherever they are, but there is a very good argument to be made that your citizens are also your responsibility. Other complicating factors are the child (if parents were to enter the Netherlands their legal guardianship would be removed and the kid would likely be adopted, which is imo the best outcome), and the fact that their marriage is simply not legal in my country (marriage can only be between adults here), and thus will not be recognized.

Personally, if there was a way to get the kid here without the parents that would be 100% the right choice. Second best choice is letting her stay there and putting him in prison and compulsory psych eval and rehabilitation.

a state is responsible for its citizens. but this does not imply that it must allow them back in, they can be sentenced in absence and then spend their time in a syrian/iraqi jail that his european home state is paying for. there is even a moral argument to be made that people should serve their sentence in the place they committed their crime. if, for example, a dutchman commits a crime in the U.S., or Russia, or China, he'd also serve his time over there and not be sent home to comfy Netherlands. why should it be any different with ISIS volunteers and Syria?

just pay Assad or whoever will be in charge in the future for hosting a prison for convicted foreign ISIS terrorists which complies with european standards, pay him for it and attach reconstruction aid to this deal, so that he has a strong enough incentive to keep his part of the deal. (no bribes, no torture etc.)

As indicator 2/3 of french people want jihadist's children to stay in Syria and Iraq*, this is a serious survey from "Odoxa-Dentsu consulting" made 2 days ago.

* "to let Syria and Iraq to take care of them all" -- There's decent orphanage in Iraq anyway --

Jihadists or not, nationals should have the right to return home and serve sentence there, if the foreign country is ok with the sentence being served elsewhere. The kid should, of course, be taken into the custody of whatever state he belongs to (not sure what his nationality is atm). If he has the right to dutch citizenship, then the dutch government should imo grant it to him and take him in.

i do agree with the "your citizens are your responsibility" statement in general, but its way past time to make an example

it must become clear that this terror tourism is a one way ticket and that there is no way back or this will keep happening
its unacceptable to have a society pressured into taking this human trash back just because they have a child
and the 6 year prison sentence for the guy is just laughable, he wouldnt even serve all of that and then you have a ticking bomb in the streets again

the most practical solution is to let them rot in syria, give the kurds some money if necessary to lock them away forever (or whatever they want to do with them)
lets be real, this scum is lucky to be alive at all

the only acceptable scenario of a return i can think of would be international trial for crimes against humanity, followed by a life sentence without a chance of getting released
these people cant be allowed to walk european streets again

however despite the media attention lets not pretend that this is a new problem, thousands of isis fighters have already returned and only a few of them have faced any consequences (meaning some low prison sentences)
the rest can act as if all was just a nice boy scouts trip

This post was edited by ampoo on Mar 3 2019 03:27pm