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Jul 19 2019 11:21pm


I was 13 when the real Saturn 5 went up. That was awesome as well. :D
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Millionaire politician will pay “equivalent of $15 an hour to staff”. no word on how many hour(s) said workers will work now
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Millionaire politician will pay “equivalent of $15 an hour to staff”. no word on how many hour(s) said workers will work now


The tldr is the following: instead of getting more money, his staffers will get less hours at the same compensation to push the wage/hour up to the demanded $15/h, so that his campaign can save face in public.

It essentially shows that even an employer who agrees that his staffers deserve to be paid $15/h and who would love to pay this hourly wage still cant give it to them, simply because the money just isnt there.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 19 2019 11:45pm
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The tldr is the following: instead of getting more money, his staffers will get less hours at the same compensation to push the wage/hour up to the demanded $15/h, so that his campaign can save face in public.

It essentially shows that even an employer who agrees that his staffers deserve to be paid $15/h and who would love to pay this hourly wage still cant give it to them, simply because the money just isnt there.

of course! each employee gets “$15/hour equivalent” and has their total hours worked reduced to either “equivalent to” (if they’re lucky) or less than what the level was before.

barnie gets his usual useless metric and privileged lefties claim the success of socialism
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The tldr is the following: instead of getting more money, his staffers will get less hours at the same compensation to push the wage/hour up to the demanded $15/h, so that his campaign can save face in public.

It essentially shows that even an employer who agrees that his staffers deserve to be paid $15/h and who would love to pay this hourly wage still cant give it to them, simply because the money just isnt there.


What's that? After changes to working conditions over pay, less work gets done?
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Jul 20 2019 10:21am
i'd ask how much the alleged billionaire cult leader paid his staffers, but they're all in prison...
but yeah, the good old 'b-b-but how can you possibly support change in our society if you ever did anything in our current society that could be misconstrued as not adhering to the ideals you aspire to' is alive and well with the mentally challenged...

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i'd ask how much the alleged billionaire cult leader paid his staffers, but they're all in prison...
but yeah, the good old 'b-b-but how can you possibly support change in our society if you ever did anything in our current society that could be misconstrued as not adhering to the ideals you aspire to' is alive and well with the mentally challenged...

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I mean, the immigrant didn't even take the job lol. The job was either outsourced or automated.
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Jul 20 2019 11:15am
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i'd ask how much the alleged billionaire cult leader paid his staffers, but they're all in prison...
but yeah, the good old 'b-b-but how can you possibly support change in our society if you ever did anything in our current society that could be misconstrued as not adhering to the ideals you aspire to' is alive and well with the mentally challenged...

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The alt-right is indeed mad at the Koch and Soros' and Adelsons and wants their power broken. It is the establishment of the GOP which is siding with the employers and arch-capitalists.


Also keep in mind that all the things you said dont change the simple fact that an additional supply of cheap labor in capitalism inevitably leads to depressed wages. So the American worker suffering from this sees two options to change it:

First option: stop mass immigration.
Second option: end capitalism and replace our entire economic system with something else.

Guess which of these two options seems more realistic and attainable...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 20 2019 11:18am
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The alt-right is indeed mad at the Koch and Soros' and Adelsons and wants their power broken. It is the establishment of the GOP which is siding with the employers and arch-capitalists.


Also keep in mind that all the things you said dont change the simple fact that an additional supply of cheap labor in capitalism inevitably leads to depressed wages. So the American worker suffering from this sees two options to change it:

First option: stop mass immigration.
Second option: end capitalism and replace our entire economic system with something else.

Guess which of these two options seems more realistic and attainable...


Or place social pressure on business owners to not depress wages.

It's not like more cheap labor makes it more expensive to produce, or decreases the productivity of labor. The market does not exist separate from non economic pressures
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Or place social pressure on business owners to not depress wages.

It's not like more cheap labor makes it more expensive to produce, or decreases the productivity of labor. The market does not exist separate from non economic pressures


You dont understand capitalism. Even without employers exploiting the weak position of illegal immigrants, even if we made sure that they can only work in legal jobs where they and their employers both pay their full taxes, it would still lead to an increase in the supply of labor, which would still lead to depressed wages.

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