"Kidnapper."

More histrionic derangement. Yeah, people willingly walking into the kidnapper's oppressive death camps. I swear sometimes you have the logical capacity of a scorned woman.

Sorry but law and order pertaining to immigration and sovereignty is something I definitely feel strong about. The moment we start having open borders we cease as a nation. For decades prior, it was agreed by pretty much everyone that something needed to be done about illegal immigration. Even Bill Clinton made it an official topic back in the 90s. You know, a liked Democratic president. But fast forward to today and suddenly there are all these radicals advocating open borders. It's like... Twilight Zone level shit and blows my mind.

Not much in reality is going to change

Both sides fail on a regular basis with immigration and use it constantly for political purposes. Neither the left or the right will be making any dramatic changes

Conservatives don't have a good record on it but they are at least sitting at the adult table right now that I'll agree with. People going on about concentration camps and murder camps and all that sort of exaggeration isn't productive and it's disrespectful to those that actually have been affected by those sort of things

They aren't be rounded up based on race or anything other than they are not legally here. People can argue about the care and process that's all fine but just hyping up people with the extreme descriptions that solves nothing isn't adult table conversation nor does it contribute to fixing it

Bill Clinton was a big time conservative on many issues. Him being a playboy that played the sax convinced a lot of people otherwise of course conservatives like a lot of what he did now.

Democrats are being hyperbolic because they are out of the white house and because it's primary season most of it is words in reality. Words that conservatives are very happy/angry to hear that will benefit them in riling up their own base but it's mostly words

Both sides suck on immigration and will continue to because of a mixture of incompetence and it's political value to be a crisis from one point of view or the other

but conservatives/republicans will win on this one so no need to be riled up

I'm not a big fan of government or incarceration for anyone and think kidnapping and locking people in cages should be designated for only the most egregious crimes.

I am skeptical about one group of people getting together to make decisions about another group of people without their consent or input whatsoever. I think that if I did that to one of my neighbors, no matter what they did to deserve it, it would be considered deviant and insane....I think this should also extend to groups of people. You should have to at least kidnap or murder someone to be kidnapped or murdered by the state. I'm obviously deranged for feeling a way about things and not believing things are optimal right now with mass incarceration in for-profit prisons...you are the one that is obviously sane and I am obviously mentally ill.



I just said deport all the Mexicans in concentration camps instead of imprisoning them and you called me stupid. Well fuck you Bogie, eat a dick.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 13 2019 07:07am

You just talked up catch and release and then made an ambiguous comment on "do[ing] something" with the Mexicans we have.

If you were suggesting we deport them en masse, forgive me for being confused. That's not a position any leading Democrat would support.

I think that's too radical, but if anyone wants to go, we should obviously deport them.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jul 13 2019 07:13am

When I said do something with them I meant send them out of the United States. Catch and release on the other side of the border. They need a process to send people in the United States illegally out of the United States if they are going to incarcerate them in all of our county jails and in detention centers in Texas and elsewhere. The people in these centers are certainly better off on their own in the world anywhere there incarcerated.

Moving human bodies is a tough business, you have to have stomach for it. What is about to happen is going to be much worse than anything so far and the US needs to just start getting rid of these people ASAP before they start fucking dying in detention centers all over the place.

I don't mean catch and release into Texas. Texas doesn't want that.

Immigration pipeline needs to be addressed. There has to be a legal route in that is reasonable, with the expectation that not everyone can be American.

Need to start getting rid of these prisoners fast or they will die on us from stupid diseases and if we are going to do this we need to have a beginning, middle, and end to the process envisioned for individuals as we pick them up. Right now there is a beginning, arrest, middle, concentration camp, then ??? They should have chalked out the $45k or whatever it cost to hide a program manager for a year lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 13 2019 07:21am

Almost every relevant Democratic presidential candidate is suggesting that. Even a former Obama cabinet member is accusing them of advocating open borders:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/06/trump-era-politics-are-drowning-out-consensus-immigration-its-time-some-straight-talk/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0bde8622d9e1

Obama's former Homeland Security Secretary:


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Exactly. That's why we need the wall or something similar in the intermediate future, to stop the leaking of illegal immigrants across the southern border. When - and only when! - the situation on the southern border is really under control, we can turn to improving the living conditions in Central America, which without a doubt would be a longterm project.

The $4.5bn in funding requested right now are necessary to clean up the mess that we already have on our hands.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 13 2019 11:50am

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article232643227.html

No ID or motive yet, could plausibly go either way before people start exploiting it for their narrative
but something just happened that was almost certainly politically motivated terrorism resulting in a fatality



/e: should note it took place at the site of an anti-ICE protest just 6 hours prior to the shooting

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 13 2019 12:32pm

Go woke get smoked

You don't think Mexicans have ladders and shovels? What do you think they come here to do? Lol.



Brown = terrorist

White = mental illness

We shall see.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 13 2019 04:13pm