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Jul 16 2019 03:28am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 16 2019 05:00am)
Why do you keep repeating this lie? 3 out of 4 woman were born in america?


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Just measure nation wealth per capita, the only relevant statistic.


Afaik, by this metric, Qatar or the UAE would be at the top of the list. IIRC, those are the richest countries on the planet going by wealth per capita. Qatar definitely is on top of the list if going by GDP per capita (PPP).

This doesnt mean that their economic or social model is the best, it just means they have a shitton of oil and a tiny population.

Similarly, oil has contributed greatly to the wealth of Norway, and minerals and coal have contributed greatly to the wealth of Australia. Both Norway and Australia would be fine even without the natural resources, but they wouldnt be as rich and as close to the top of various country rankings either.



Better comparisons are places like Sweden, the Netherlands or even Japan - countries without substantial natural resources who nonetheless rank among the most productive and wealthy in the world. (Germany is kinda sui generis due to the reunification with its eastern part which was run down from 45 years of socialist rule, which to this day is dragging down the entire country in statistics like these.)

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2019 05:52am)
Afaik, by this metric, Qatar or the UAE would be at the top of the list. Those are the richest countries on the planet going by wealth per capita. Qatar definitely is on top of the list if going by GDP per capita (PPP).

This doesnt mean that their economic or social model is the best, it just means they have a shitton of oil and a tiny population.

Similarly, oil has contributed greatly to the wealth of Norway, and minerals and coal have contributed greatly to the wealth of Australia. Both Norway and Australia would be fine even without the natural resources, but they wouldnt be as rich and as close to the top of various country rankings either.



Better comparisons are places like Sweden, the Netherlands or even Japan - countries without substantial natural resources who nonetheless rank among the most productive and wealthy in the world. (Germany is kinda sui generis due to the reunification with its eastern part which was run down from 45 years of socialist rule, which to this day is dragging down the entire country in statistics like these.)


Canada is the richest because we have every necessary natural resource to self sustain for thousands of years. And the sand is contained to the beaches.
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Jul 16 2019 04:02am
Quote (QcSoHot @ 16 Jul 2019 11:55)
Canada is the richest because we have every necessary natural resource to self sustain for thousands of years. And the sand is contained to the beaches.


GL with that, you are doomed like everyone else.


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Awesome, your are giving us the fantastic opportunity to watch the most stupid and wrong memes.

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Jul 16 2019 04:48am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2019 07:52pm)
Afaik, by this metric, Qatar or the UAE would be at the top of the list. IIRC, those are the richest countries on the planet going by wealth per capita. Qatar definitely is on top of the list if going by GDP per capita (PPP).

This doesnt mean that their economic or social model is the best, it just means they have a shitton of oil and a tiny population.

Similarly, oil has contributed greatly to the wealth of Norway, and minerals and coal have contributed greatly to the wealth of Australia. Both Norway and Australia would be fine even without the natural resources, but they wouldnt be as rich and as close to the top of various country rankings either.



Better comparisons are places like Sweden, the Netherlands or even Japan - countries without substantial natural resources who nonetheless rank among the most productive and wealthy in the world. (Germany is kinda sui generis due to the reunification with its eastern part which was run down from 45 years of socialist rule, which to this day is dragging down the entire country in statistics like these.)


Great run down, i agree.
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Jul 16 2019 05:34am
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Coal Miner
Plenty of women miners. The earliest I can find is in the 1890s though I'm sure there were a few before then. There were less because men believed women were bad luck in the mines.... similar to sailors.

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Around 1600 garbage collectors in the US are women

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2013 the UK has it's first female sewer workers. They've been doing it forever in the US.

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Coal Miner
Plenty of women miners. The earliest I can find is in the 1890s though I'm sure there were a few before then. There were less because men believed women were bad luck in the mines.... similar to sailors.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/0b/e3/7c0be3d5caf4e56e7296a4541d02f973.jpg
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Around 1600 garbage collectors in the US are women
https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2165492/84533575.jpg
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2013 the UK has it's first female sewer workers. They've been doing it forever in the US.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/08/article-2449512-18998D7800000578-61_634x788.jpg
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Now instead of looking for the exceptions to the rule, compare the ratios of men to women in those fields.
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Jul 16 2019 06:09am
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Now instead of looking for the exceptions to the rule, compare the ratios of men to women in those fields.


The point isn't that as many women can or even want to do these jobs. It's that some women can and do and therefore there should be no barriers to entry for them that men don't also face.

There is literally no reason to stop women doing these jobs, pay them less when they do or for them to face discrimination or harassment in their work except that men feel threatened and emasculated by strong women.

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Quote (TransTankie @ Jul 16 2019 07:09am)
The point isn't that as many women can or even want to do these jobs. It's that some women can and do and therefore there should be no barriers to entry for them that men don't also face.

There is literally no reason to stop women doing these jobs, pay them less when they do or for them to face discrimination or harassment in their work except that men feel threatened and emasculated by strong women.


What barriers are those?

I can't stress enough how much I don't care if a woman wants to do a "man's job." Go for it! Unless it's combat. Then you have to do a man's job as well as a man. Same physical fitness requirements.
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Jul 16 2019 06:27am
Quote (TransTankie @ Jul 16 2019 05:09am)
The point isn't that as many women can or even want to do these jobs. It's that some women can and do and therefore there should be no barriers to entry for them that men don't also face.

There is literally no reason to stop women doing these jobs, pay them less when they do or for them to face discrimination or harassment in their work except that men feel threatened and emasculated by strong women.


male dominated roughneck jobs are brutal for most women

the work is one thing the environment is often times worse. Not always but most of the time

there are some jobs that will not change no matter how people try to change them

mines oil fields etc

social accountability is low when people are at a site and people outside these worlds will not change an environment like these they have to change internally and locally

where I grew up we dealt with oil workers all the time. The reality is some jobs in some areas you don't want more women in, not in reality, not because they are incapable because the environment isn't one I'd wish on a woman
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