Well when YOU tour one of the US's detention centers, then we'll talk.

Lol.

'I'm rubber you're glue' XD

The quality of fash argumentation.

Don't need to. We can see it on film and there's numerous reports on the issue.

Why the fuck would I need to tour the detention centre?

I guess I can understand that those not living in the US, can't really understand the atrocious state our media is in, at this time. It's almost as if media moguls have made the decision that free speech means libel and slander are ok.
It's something we have to work out ofc. My point was, unless you see these "horrible conditions" with your own eyes... making statements based on some lackadaisical reporting, is greater than just foolish.



/e How about you stop double posting. That would be a start at adult behavior.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 16 2019 12:30am

You aren't interested in arguments

you are openly anti-intellectual and run away from arguments

the best you could do here is say its 'dumb' and falsely claim he doesn't know what hes talking about.. when in fact hes very knowledgeable on the subject.

on the other hand you have demonstrated you have a very poor understanding of economics and socialism, which is what my retort was getting at.
feelings and derangement aren't sound replacements for economics.

the fact that socialist dreams dont turn out the way they imagine and are often hellish nightmares in practice is an apt and valid observation.
Venezuelans didnt say 'yay we want extreme poverty and economic collapse', they too dreamed of flourishing.

If socialism was adopted in America it would likewise not turn into some Norwegian style paradise just because you want to wish away the negative aspects.

So are you saying americans are worse people than norwegians? or that you are just less intelligent?

Im saying socialism is fundamentally terrible and breadline bernie would cause a disaster if allowed to enact it

im also saying socialists always imagine they will bring about economic flourishing and it never goes as planned, often with catastrophic results.

America is a VERY large country composed of very large states. You can't use the same formulae in the US that you would use in a one state country, or even in a much smaller country with some state-like divisions.


/e Right now, the southern border onslaught has passed 100,000/month. Norway has 5.3 million people. At the rate the US is being asked to "provide for" people who just don't like their country...Norway would be completely over run in less than 5 years.
Ergo Norway formulae don't work in the US the way it does in Norway.



Now if you wanna compare Norway and it's systems to say South Carolina or Minnesota....that would be halfway reasonable.


/ee In fact Norway and South Carolina would be a great comparison. Relatively the same population, surrounded by a "union" they are a part of and that protects them somewhat from the outside world.

Could South Carolina exist without the protection of the US in war and in trade... could Norway without the protection of the EU in war and in trade?




In case you haven't guessed. The answer is NO. So w/e system they employ can not even be considered as applicable to the US, which IS a stand alone country.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 16 2019 01:02am

Breadline Bernie wants to point at a rich non-socialist country and claim his policies would make us like that..
but he just wants to adopt some of their welfare aspects and throw out the economic freedom that led to their success.
they are an oil country with a low population.. sanders wants to ban fossil fuels and ban nuclear..
Norway built up their economic success on free trade/foreign trade.. Bernie is a protectionist that hates free trade and wants to strictly control and inhibit business.

pretending socialism would be a success here while brushing aside all of the failures and deaths.

its detached from reality

So what you are saying is norway doesn't exist?
Or australia?
Sweden?
Luxemburg?


Ok so what you are saying is bernies ideals in particular will not work?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jul 16 2019 01:14am