Population
3,000,021 (West Bank – 2022 est.)
1,997,328 (Gaza Strip – 2022 est.)
Growth rate
1.69% (West Bank – 2022 est.)
2.02% (Gaza Strip – 2022 est.)
Birth rate
24.42 births/1,000 population (West Bank – 2022 est.)
27.67 births/1,000 population (Gaza Strip – 2022 est.)
Death rate
3.4 deaths/1,000 population (West Bank – 2022 est.)
2.91 deaths/1,000 population (Gaza Strip – 2022 est.)

2% growth rate in population, but i thought israel was committing genocide...?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/23/gaza-hospital-new-york-times-00122986

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/22/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hospital-evidence.html

still doubling down i see. even the media that made you believe it have abandoned blaming israel. yet you're still there. even parotting the baseless air burst munitions propaganda furthered by Al Jahzeera and others.

starting to sound like flat earthers, as evidence debunks claims they just find whole new solutions to make it sound real. just take the L (you cant lmao)

facts do not matter to anti-semites and Marxist idealogues who are inescapably deep into the rabbit hole

these people cannot be reasoned with

This post was edited by El1te on Oct 23 2023 12:04pm

a 2 state solution that includes west bank would require a far greater buffer zone than the current border. west bank has part of Jerusalem and is "too close for comfort". i dont support settlement policy, at all, but to apply this in a one to one with Gaza isn't really accurate.

this is shown pretty clearly in reality, where in the west bank small scale violence takes place and the govt of the west bank and israel deal with issues fairly diplomatically. as compared to gaza where israel doesnt have any diplomatic relationship and rocket fire and terror tunnels are the mainstay.

on that same token we cant overlook the fact that a 2 state solution with 1 govt in charge of both gaza and west bank isnt currently possible. west bank couldnt possibly hope to rein in hamas, before or after oct 7th.

I very much view Gaza and The West Bank as separate issues, although connected via a broader struggle. I still maintain that the region is a geographical nightmare, given that there is no contiguous Palestine that could be had given the current borders. The world is entertaining a two-state solution for a three-party region.

I do think invoking The West Bank is relevant to the situation in Gaza, because for the current time, Hamas is the teeth of the region that prevents the lopsided "diplomacy" that is happening in The West Bank.

New York Times issues a "we're sorry";
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html

a 2-state solution is done with human beings you can speak with. the first step is to root out and vaporize or bury alive in those tunnels any Hamas leaders and active soldiers ( i.e terrorists ).

after it's done, statesmen\politicians\IDF veterans.. some will have to go and take the blame for this entire neglect of the south border. they are fully responsible.

thing is, and i stated it earlier, the public opinion inside Israel is something else now. only from the inside you can feel and actually see it, im saying it because this is our wake up call.
no one here will ever allow Gaza to be what it was, nor do the northern border ( if not now, in the future ahead ).

when human beings on the other side will accept Israel talks can take place.

its for sure a situation that should be called a 3 state solution, but at the same time the west bank and gaza are at the behest of Iran and Qatar and others. so it's more like a 5 or 6 state solution.

that said if Israel could find a situation that puts gaza entirely out of their control, as a self governing state, and be assured in this situation that rockets wont continually be fired at them and tunnels wont spit out dozens of insurgents they'd be all for it.

whats ironic here is that the practice of settlements seems to me far more empathetic to people without a dog in the fight, and yet the political situation in west bank far outstrips that in gaza. so how is it where Israel's action is far worse they are closer to a solution, seemingly. the easy answer is the blockade, but that's a chicken and egg game. its needed to prevent rockets and weapons, but its existence permanently extenuates the issue. meanwhile israel takes the PR hit for it's continuance, and the state sponsored terrorists are called freedom fighters to many.

Do most people understand that or are you once again just saying things that feel good in your tummy?



I think your delivery could be a bit more terse.



Lmao yeah this is what I meant by "foaming at the mouth" thank you for being exhibit A though.

"Starting" to get confused eh? When weren't you exactly?

I think Israel gets pointed to by Palestinian supporters in the way that it does because Israel vastly out-powers the Palestinians, and especially Gaza. Supporters of Israel often talk about how Israel is a state but that there "has never been a Palestinian state". If we lean into that argument, then being "a state" comes with certain responsibilities, expectations, and calls for accountability. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.