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Feb 21 2019 01:41am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 21 Feb 2019 08:39)
I think you'll be surprised. When momentum have driven out the last of the Labour moderates you'll see just how many "left-leaning" voters are actually left.

The abuse being spewed out from that ragtag bunch of mongrels would scare anyone off.


b-b-but Corbyn's promising free stuff?!?!

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Feb 21 2019 01:55am
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b-b-but Corbyn's promising free stuff?!?!

^_^


It was the perfect line of attack during a time of tory belt-tightening. One May had either no idea how to counter or the arrogance that she didn't need to.

But, it was a one time only salvo and even after promising ridiculous things (think someone counted it up at close to £1trillion added to national debt) it still wasn't enough to be in power.

Becoming a momentum mob will not help, it was scare off all the fence sitters and a few tory promises of a bit of cash here and there will see them stay in power. Imo, for the good of us all.
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Quote (WNxIrvine @ 21 Feb 2019 08:55)
It was the perfect line of attack during a time of tory belt-tightening. One May had either no idea how to counter or the arrogance that she didn't need to.

But, it was a one time only salvo and even after promising ridiculous things (think someone counted it up at close to £1trillion added to national debt) it still wasn't enough to be in power.

Becoming a momentum mob will not help, it was scare off all the fence sitters and a few tory promises of a bit of cash here and there will see them stay in power. Imo, for the good of us all.


But then again, Corbyn led a pretty successful campaign during the 2017 snap election, narrowing down the margin in the popular vote share from 21% on the day the election was called to 2.4% on election day, almost winning the thing.

I think it was more May doing a horrible job during this campaign than Corbyn being brillant, but still, the election had to be considered a success for Labour.
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Feb 21 2019 12:37pm
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But then again, Corbyn led a pretty successful campaign during the 2017 snap election, narrowing down the margin in the popular vote share from 21% on the day the election was called to 2.4% on election day, almost winning the thing.

I think it was more May doing a horrible job during this campaign than Corbyn being brillant, but still, the election had to be considered a success for Labour.


A relative success, not actual success
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Feb 21 2019 02:23pm
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A relative success, not actual success


well, when the election was called, they were afraid of getting wiped out. a few weeks later, and they almost won; and they denied May a majority of her own, forced her into a coalition.
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well, when the election was called, they were afraid of getting wiped out. a few weeks later, and they almost won; and they denied May a majority of her own, forced her into a coalition.


It's not successful for a party striving to be in government delivering radical socialist policies to just do better than what they were polling at when the election was called.

Do you know how many people held their nose and voted for Corbyn just so Labour didn't get wiped out and the Tories have no opposition? Millions. I was one of them, though I have regretted it ever since...

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Feb 21 2019 03:12pm
(Bloomberg) -- The European Union expects U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May to be forced to request a three-month delay to Brexit, two EU officials said.
=> 3 years since their wonderful referendum :rofl:
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i am starting to believe that may will try to pull a typical merkel, when she got the last financial deal for greece through
people went to bed in the evening under the impression that there will be no agreement, just to be suprised with a new deal for breakfast

may wants to wait until the very last minute and maybe enough people will vote for her "deal" in panic to avoid a chaos-brexit
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i am starting to believe that may will try to pull a typical merkel, when she got the last financial deal for greece through
people went to bed in the evening under the impression that there will be no agreement, just to be suprised with a new deal for breakfast

may wants to wait until the very last minute and maybe enough people will vote for her "deal" in panic to avoid a chaos-brexit


I'm increasingly under the impression that she has been trying to sabotage the Brexit from the very beginning. Screw it up as much as humanly possible, so that the people and the MPs are maximally scared when the deadline approaches, and thus willing to put up with a bullshit "compromise" deal which, in essence, negates the Brexit vote.
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Feb 24 2019 02:52pm
getting some very interesting brexit news today

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47348610
so may stated today that there will be a "final" (how many final votes did we have by now?) vote brexit deal vote by the 12th of march

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/brexit-im-news-ticker-eu-erwaegt-brexit-verschiebung-um-zwei-jahre_id_10365491.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal

at the same time there are media reports that the EU checks the possibility to postpone brexit for 2 years

will be interesting to see how the EU will handle this, giving the british two extra years would be hilarious considering the tough stance they had so far
is this a genuine attempt to prevent chaos? or rather (as i predicted) the EU puppets not daring to destroy their masters business after all?
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