Based on cultural definitions you pulled from your shitbox?

Many cultures have killed animals simply to utilize a part of their bodies as a tool or even simply as a trophy, without consuming the meat.

Its nothing but first world privilege to suggest your definition of hunting is the only ok one. I dont like sport hunts either, i personally use every last scrap of an animal i can and then bury the carcass 4 feet under my garden next the the thousands of carp ive put down there. As long as he is acting under the law I have no problem with it, if he was hunting a population of endangered animals it would be illegal, the DNR does a decent job in every state ive ever hunted in at population control via the tags they sell.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 28 2015 11:50am

They killed them for some sort of utility. You can legally kill animal you want for the sale of pleasure, but you're a shithead for it. Again, give a pansy a gun and he'll shoot everything. Ted Nugent is a piece of shit and sadistic human being. He would probably hurt kids if it was legal, and then people would defend it using legal deontology while ignoring legal realism. I'm saying killing for fun is wrong, not illegal.

People only worry about controlling the deer population because they're moving into their habitat. There is plenty of colonized area already, but white America keeps building housing in the woods away from the blacks, then driving an hour each way to work like idiots. Only an idiot thinks we're killing deer for the sake of deer, it is a stupid notion.

Yeah Imma talk some shit today.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 28 2015 11:58am

What pray you is the utility of a cheetah skinned cloak in africa? Other than to show that one man is better than another.

Cultures the world over have killed animals for reasons other cultures found reprehensible. Your cultural bias seems to be no different.

Killing an animal for the enjoyment of it shouldn't be considered inherently wrong unless the animal suffers or the population suffers as a result of killing the animal. Obviously there is a mile of gray area surrounding all of this, but i think you're being too candid with your blanket statements. What is inherently wrong about culling a sheep from the herd for no other reason than to hang its horns on my wall? given that it doesnt hurt the herd?



apparently you're in the mood for some blanket statements today based on your own personal experience.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 28 2015 12:04pm

Culling happens all the time. Theres a culling going on just a few blocks away and I can hear the shots at dusk and dawn, actually a bit problematic because my dog is deathly afraid of gunfire that isn't from my rifle or over/under, which is odd and curiously intelligent as she's totally fine with it if I'm the one shooting, but thats an aside. Hunting is a blanket term and certainly covers shooting game that you aren't intending to eat or get any utility from. Even the dickhats who shot bison from box cars were 'hunters'. Fair hunting is just a kind of hunting

But saying that we don't shoot deer for the sake of deer is just plain wrong. Deer populations are not static. Global warming has moved animal populations dramatically, and human presence has totally warped the ecosystem. There are explosions in deer populations because we've killed their predators. I've seen one wolf for every maybe 10000 deer I've seen in my life. When we have bad winters or wasting disease runs through the population, you see scrawny does with their ribs against their skin standing blankly in the middle of the street. There are plenty of good folk working at the DNR who can tell you that population control is a very serious concern and even if we're just fixing a symptom and putting a bandaid on it rather than the underlying causes, we still have to do something.

That isn't necessarily altogether true what's worse is we've killed all of the deer's natural predators and have placed such a demand on the row crop agriculture that more of the deer's habitat and forage has disappeared due to land developed for row cropping when in the past it had been deemed moderate to poor for use. Like Snipa said the DNR does an excellent job of handling the deer population through tags, and even special hunts in areas infested with a large population or an imbalance of gender.

I do agree that the Idea of killing should not be fun, the process of hunting can be enjoyable but I always feel a solemn moment of thanks and respect for the animal before I let an arrow go, never glee.

Deer population increases with transition of forest to cropped land.

Yeah ag is probably the single biggest factor, theres a bunch of reasons. Its the farmers who drove off all the wolves in the first place, but that was before big ag

Mainly increased food supply , assuming you leave some pockets of forested areas. virtually any type of cropped land provides deer with a superior forage than forested land.
Lack of predators would be the other major factor.

Yeah and I'm not excusing the idiots who come out and shoot everything that moves, go back to camp drink more beer and go back out to shoot some more they scare the bejesus out of me, rarely would i even hunt my own timber during a rifle weekend. There's nothing worse than finding a deer that's bled out from a lung shot that some lazy hunter gave up on tracking. We never did hunt for racks we just put meat in the freezer, the best looking bucks were the ones that we let live because they make the best herd sires, the same with does we try to kill the smaller boned or weaker looking ones being landowners we get close to 30 free tags all told so there's more than enough to fill the freezers, and give some to the food pantry.