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Nov 27 2020 05:39pm
Quote (endymionlune @ 27 Nov 2020 17:19)
They found nothing in 2020 either. The head of election security, a republican that trump appointed said it was the most secure election in history.


This election board disputed that and cited the evidence.



How did they find nothing if they didn't even attempt to attend the event or send anyone? That's easy, they didn't look
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Nov 27 2020 05:43pm
Quote (Jere @ Nov 27 2020 06:39pm)
This election board disputed that and cited the evidence.

https://i.imgur.com/szMnVs1.jpg

How did they find nothing if they didn't even attempt to attend the event or send anyone? That's easy, they didn't look


You need to educate yourself and get out of your bubble. Nothing I say or anyone else is gonna change your mind. You have been radicalized. Trump is the worst, most corrupt president in American history and you think he is your savior? He doesn't give a shit about you or your family. This attempt at stealing the election by Trump is a coup and if you value the American constitution at all or any of the principles that this country was founded upon and what it used to stand for you should be fighting against Trump.


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It's funny how the "fuck your feelings" people are the biggest snowflakes of all.

edit: at the end of the day we're all American's and we have more in common than we do different. less tribalism, more thought, empathy and nuance are what will save us from this clusterfuck of a situation. but this can only happen if we live in the same realities and agree to the same facts.

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Nov 27 2020 06:25pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 27 2020 03:18pm)
Jere: There's evidence everywhere!
Everybody: Then why hasn't it been shown in court?
Jere: Because evidence comes in on discovery
Everybody: Then why haven't they shown it in any court filings when asked to produce the evidence?
Jere: Something something conspiracy something something main stream media hiding the evidence
Everybody: So what evidence have you seen?
Jere: There's evidence everywhere!

Repeat



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Nov 27 2020 06:25pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 27 2020 06:18pm)
Jere: There's evidence everywhere!
Everybody: Then why hasn't it been shown in court?
Jere: Because evidence comes in on discovery
Everybody: Then why haven't they shown it in any court filings when asked to produce the evidence?
Jere: Something something conspiracy something something main stream media hiding the evidence
Everybody: So what evidence have you seen?
Jere: There's evidence everywhere!

Repeat


And when you confront hese people on solid evidence, they revert to "oh social media deleted their accounts so I can't show you yet." They conveniently twist everything that they see into something that fits their agenda whether it's half truths, Facebook memes, Photoshop images, out of context messages/videos, hearsay, etc. They all congregate in forums so they can echochamber their nonsense and further entrench the mental illness.
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Nov 27 2020 06:50pm
Quote (kenw @ Nov 27 2020 07:25pm)
And when you confront hese people on solid evidence, they revert to "oh social media deleted their accounts so I can't show you yet." They conveniently twist everything that they see into something that fits their agenda whether it's half truths, Facebook memes, Photoshop images, out of context messages/videos, hearsay, etc. They all congregate in forums so they can echochamber their nonsense and further entrench the mental illness.


We must be careful not to do the same. Which is why it's important to take a step back and question our own beliefs and assumptions. That being said, crazy shit needs to be called out.

If you've ever read "Allegory of the cave" by Plato, people are willingly ignorant once they have become accustomed to the blindness that is ignorance and must be unwillingly dragged into the light(metaphor for truth) kicking and screaming.

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Nov 27 2020 07:05pm
I concede that MSM is generally left leaning but the MAGA cult use that as a crutch to justify the spread of disinformation. Biden officially won vote-wise, but since Trump self proclaims himself as the victor, they believe him over actual data. I haven't seen any iota of INCONTROVERTIBLE widespread voter fraud and it has been 3 weeks, yet they are still trying to undermine democracy. Imagine using "trump rallies had 20000" as an argument during a pandemic big yikes

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Nov 27 2020 07:23pm
Quote (endymionlune @ Nov 27 2020 07:50pm)
We must be careful not to do the same. Which is why it's important to take a step back and question our own beliefs and assumptions. That being said, crazy shit needs to be called out.

If you've ever read "Allegory of the cave" by Plato, people are willingly ignorant once they have become accustomed to the blindness that is ignorance and must be unwillingly dragged into the light(metaphor for truth) kicking and screaming.


You can say this about literally any belief.
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Nov 27 2020 07:25pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 27 2020 08:23pm)
You can say this about literally any belief.


The point is to remain self critical so that you're not the one trapped in the cave.

Just wanna say I'm an independent who holds many conservative views as well as liberal views. Do not get stuck in tribalism, think for yourself.

That being said, the GOP are conservative in name only. GOP presidents have ballooned our debt and made our country weak while they pontificate about how they can pillage nature in the name of unfettered capitalism and the .01%.

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I concede that MSM is generally left leaning but the MAGA cult use that as a crutch to justify the spread of disinformation. Biden officially won vote-wise, but since Trump self proclaims himself as the victor, they believe him over actual data. I haven't seen any iota of INCONTROVERTIBLE widespread voter fraud and it has been 3 weeks, yet they are still trying to undermine democracy. Imagine using "trump rallies had 20000" as an argument during a pandemic big yikes


This is true, even Tucker Carlson(not exactly an unbiased source) has said the voter fraud allegations are utter bullshit without evidence.

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Nov 27 2020 08:01pm
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The point is to remain self critical so that you're not the one trapped in the cave.

Just wanna say I'm an independent who holds many conservative views as well as liberal views. Do not get stuck in tribalism, think for yourself.

That being said, the GOP are conservative in name only. GOP presidents have ballooned our debt and made our country weak while they pontificate about how they can pillage nature in the name of unfettered capitalism and the .01%.


The GOP have better priorities still I say. China is the global threat of our age and our economy and military must be a first priority - which I think even Biden understands.

Any candidate that actually cared about debt wouldnt get elected because immigration has lowered the average IQ so much.

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The GOP have better priorities still I say. China is the global threat of our age and our economy and military must be a first priority - which I think even Biden understands.

Any candidate that actually cared about debt wouldnt get elected because immigration has lowered the average IQ so much.


wtf are you even talking about.\

you realize everyone in this country is an immigrant or descendent of immigrants other than native americans. :wallbash:

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