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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 13 2019 06:11pm)
as always i ask the cui bono question and i cant think of a single thing that iran would gain from an attack on 2 random ships


Well, Iran DID threaten to do just that about a month and a half ago. Something like... we will make shipping impossible.







/e

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 13 2019 06:14pm)
Why would a lesser foe provoke the war machine when they know they would get steam rolled?

I’ve come to learn the party who most benefits after everything settles is the guilty one. I can think of a few regional players that would be ecstatic if Iran got stomped out. Saudi Arabia? Israel?



Look what happened during the Iraq war. There may truly have been WMD, that had their development stopped and had their use prevented, because the US bombed Iraq back to the stone age. We still don't really know about the WMD....we just know what Wolf Blitzer on CNN told us.



Let's for a second assume there WAS... a WMD threat in Iraq. How could the US prove there was? Ask their deep cover spy guys to come out in the open and show proof?
I mean it would have been nice to see pics of a factory that had a sign that said We make the best WMD in Iraq... shop here. But chances are, that wasn't gonna happen.

Depending on the TYPE of WMD....they might have only needed a small bathroom to make it. Biologicals come to mind. So by the time we had men and reporters on the ground...there might not have BEEN any traces left. That doesn't mean there wasn't WMD.

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Let's for a second assume there WAS... a WMD threat in Iraq.


Let's not
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 13 2019 04:15pm)
Well, Iran DID threaten to do just that about a month and a half ago. Something like... we will make shipping impossible.







/e




Look what happened during the Iraq war. There may truly have been WMD, that had their development stopped and had their use prevented, because the US bombed Iraq back to the stone age. We still don't really know about the WMD....we just know what Wolf Blitzer on CNN told us.



Let's for a second assume there WAS... a WMD threat in Iraq. How could the US prove there was? Ask their deep cover spy guys to come out in the open and show proof?
I mean it would have been nice to see pics of a factory that had a sign that said We make the best WMD in Iraq... shop here. But chances are, that wasn't gonna happen.

Depending on the TYPE of WMD....they might have only needed a small bathroom to make it. Biologicals come to mind. So by the time we had men and reporters on the ground...there might not have BEEN any traces left. That doesn't mean there wasn't WMD.


same way we've proven there are nukes in North Korea, with satellites showing verified test sites and infrastructure.
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same way we've proven there are nukes in North Korea, with satellites showing verified test sites and infrastructure.





bIOlOgicals come to mind, as the absolute best WMD for a country short on infrastructure and resources.



/e Factory, if one was even needed, might not even BE in Iraq. Might be hidden in eboloa-ville, Africa or some such.

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same way we've proven there are nukes in North Korea, with satellites showing verified test sites and infrastructure.


They're proven on seismic data as well.. ^
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I just love how in the know everyone is. People that haven't even been to Iraq, seem to have all the dirt. Amazing.
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I just love how in the know everyone is. People that haven't even been to Iraq, seem to have all the dirt. Amazing.


ppl that have could at least take a pic of the WMD's.

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ppl that have could at least take a pic of the WMD's.




Oh, I get it. Just say: Hey Iraq, could stop for a sec and pose here by this unmarked cylinder of some nasty ass deadly virus, and hold up a sign that says: "Knoppie @ JSP says this is WMD". :/
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 13 2019 11:36pm)
Oh, I get it. Just say: Hey Iraq, could stop for a sec and pose here by this unmarked cylinder of some nasty ass deadly virus, and hold up a sign that says: "Knoppie @ JSP says this is WMD". :/


I'd appreciate it. and a lab test afterwards, from a somewhat impartial party :D

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Jun 13 2019 04:42pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Jun 13 2019 06:39pm)
I'd appreciate it. and a lab test afterwards, from a somewhat impartial party :D




That's my point. Neither the US or UK intelligence org, could submit substantial proof to all concerned entities, without compromising their entire organization.


/e However, IF they can submit proof w/o compromising themselves... they do. (like seismic, or satellite reports for ex.)

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