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Apr 2 2020 12:37am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2020 11:05pm)
Of course nobody can calculate it, because nobody's assessing relevant information. Who are the victims? What is their health and substance use history? How many people ACTUALLY have it?

20% of all common colds are coronaviruses. Every last one of them has the same symptoms: Fever, Sore Throat, Cough. COVID19 is literally no different. There's no way to accurately test for it without a blood test. Fewer than 1% of people will get a blood test for a cold.

So, how many people have it? We have no idea. Who's at higher risk for lethality? We have no idea, other than older people with prior cardiac and respiratory illness.

This is what you're not understanding. Sensationalized reporting has caused a panic over something that may very well be relatively benign. We don't know though, because individuals such as yourself are prone to panic first, ask for relevant information later.

Also, the only reason nobody social distances for the flu is because we've come to accept that people die. Maybe this new cold should be the same. :)


um.. no
and no the earth is not flat either
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 1 2020 11:37pm)
um.. no
and no the earth is not flat either


Of course the Earth is not flat. Just like COVID19 has NOT killed anywhere NEAR as many people as the flu has this season, we know next to NOTHING about how many people have it or it's lethality rate.

If you want to stick to science, stick to science. In which case, the earth is most certainly a globe revolving around the sun. If you want sensationalism and irrational fear, then yes, COVID19 is the next Ebola, we're all going to die, and the Earth is flat. :)
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 05:47pm)
Of course the Earth is not flat. Just like COVID19 has NOT killed anywhere NEAR as many people as the flu has this season, we know next to NOTHING about how many people have it or it's lethality rate.

If you want to stick to science, stick to science. In which case, the earth is most certainly a globe revolving around the sun. If you want sensationalism and irrational fear, then yes, COVID19 is the next Ebola, we're all going to die, and the Earth is flat. :)


Are you paying any attention at all to the data on covid?
Its catching the flu fast, and the flu has a several thousand year lead.
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Apr 2 2020 01:09am
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Are you paying any attention at all to the data on covid?
Its catching the flu fast, and the flu has a several thousand year lead.


Very close attention. And the data is very very lacking. They stopped providing any data on the ages of those who've died from it, as well as pre-existing conditions, substance use, etc. The last real data analysis was in February, and indicated an incredibly low mortality rate for anyone healthy and under 50. Now suddenly every article is pointing at "Hey, this one guy who seemed healthy and was younger died!" How can anyone make a rational assessment when the best information that has been provided literally indicates that for the most part, it's just another cold?

And the flu doesn't have any lead at all, what're you talking about? It's a new strain each year, usually several new strains, just like coronavirus. I mean, if you want to compare an overall death toll, the Flu is the largest single viral killer period. :/
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Very close attention. And the data is very very lacking. They stopped providing any data on the ages of those who've died from it, as well as pre-existing conditions, substance use, etc. The last real data analysis was in February, and indicated an incredibly low mortality rate for anyone healthy and under 50. Now suddenly every article is pointing at "Hey, this one guy who seemed healthy and was younger died!" How can anyone make a rational assessment when the best information that has been provided literally indicates that for the most part, it's just another cold?

And the flu doesn't have any lead at all, what're you talking about? It's a new strain each year, usually several new strains, just like coronavirus. I mean, if you want to compare an overall death toll, the Flu is the largest single viral killer period. :/




CDC: Oct 2019 to Mar 2020 24k-62k Flu deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
WorldMeter: 47,267 covid-19 deaths. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Covid-19 been out for half the time. Covid-19 deaths are easily ahead.

This post was edited by Ghot on Apr 2 2020 01:45am
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CDC: Oct 2019 to Mar 2020 24k-62k deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
WorldMeter: 47,267 covid 19 deaths. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Covid 19 been out for half the time. Covid 19 deaths are easily ahead.


You're comparing US Flu Deaths to World COVID deaths? Why not compare world to world? Or US to US? Bit over 5K covid19 deaths in the US vs 24k-62k flu deaths in the US OR 47K covid deaths worldwide vs between 128k-686K worldwide.

Nope, the flu is VERY EASILY ahead.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 03:45am)
You're comparing US Flu Deaths to World COVID deaths? Why not compare world to world? Or US to US? Bit over 5K covid19 deaths in the US vs 24k-62k flu deaths in the US OR 47K covid deaths worldwide vs between 128k-686K worldwide.

Nope, the flu is VERY EASILY ahead.




Yep. Even though I googled world flu deaths 2020, I got US deaths. :/




/e There's 10x as many global flu deaths, but they also say that covid-19 is 10x more deadly.

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Yep. Even though I googled world flu deaths 2020, I got US deaths. :/


It happens. And the staggering annual death toll of the flu is part of why I'm highly curious why the media continues to portray covid19 as "worse". So far it's definitely not. It could potentially become worse, maybe. Doubt it, but gotta wait and see.

Consider this as well: Hundreds of millions of people worldwide (I don't have an exact figure. It's 43% in the US) get flu vaccinations each year. And yet we still have these staggering death tolls. There's no shot, no vaccine for covid19. If it were truly "worse than the flu" wouldn't you think it'd literally BE the next "Influenza" or "Black Death" or whatever? I mean, it has clearly already traveled the globe, millions have been infected, yet the death toll is relatively minor. I mean sure, "any deaths suck" but literally everyone dies. In terms of scale though, how could this even close to be compared with the Flu?

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/e There's 10x as many global flu deaths, but they also say that covid-19 is 10x more deadly.


They can say that, but they don't know. As I've stated elsewhere, 20% of all "common colds" are coronaviruses. All have the same symptoms and this one is no different. Fewer than 1% of people who get a cold bother to get a blood test. So they literally have no way to know how many people can have this thing. So rating the lethality of it just simply isn't possible.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 2 2020 02:06am
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 09:45am)
You're comparing US Flu Deaths to World COVID deaths? Why not compare world to world? Or US to US? Bit over 5K covid19 deaths in the US vs 24k-62k flu deaths in the US OR 47K covid deaths worldwide vs between 128k-686K worldwide.

Nope, the flu is VERY EASILY ahead.


The vast majority of people have not yet contracted COVID-19, that's why the numbers are lower as of yet. Imagine COVID-19 burning through the population, RIP.

You have no clue ^^
COVID-19 has a higher R0 than the flu, way more serious complications compared to the flu and there is no herd immunity or vaccine.
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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 2 2020 01:07am)
The vast majority of people have not yet contracted COVID-19, that's why the numbers are lower as of yet. Imagine COVID-19 burning through the population, RIP.

You have no clue ^^
COVID-19 has a higher R0 than the flu, way more serious complications compared to the flu and there is no herd immunity or vaccine.


That's unsubstantiated. You could have covid19 right now. Have you had a blood test performed lately?

Read my edited response to his edited response in post 3028. It's next to impossible to know how many people have it.
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