What a useless post. He hasn't taken on any debt. His debt is forgiven. That's the fucking point.

You going to tell the Intel worker who spends $60,000 on a degree that earns them $45,000 to start that they should feel happy that Thor gets his education free, better benefits, and better pay, but he's really doing the world a favor, because... Um... Reasons?

No, stop. You're full of shit. Bar none, you're literally talking out your ass.

Bob do you understand what market rate for services and products mean? Who cares where the individuals wage is if by comparison its below market rate and they would struggle to staff a lab otherwise to get the necessary research completed. If it had no incentive the lab would be empty. I don't think you ramotly understand how public research is used and built upon by private industry after the fact.

As for the scenario I offered you, you compeltly failed to look big picture and understand that it only takes a few incentivised individuals to create a jobs in multiples. I don't know what average bussinses you're looking at to think there's more bosses than middle and lower class workers. For instance a three partner firm might have 30 lower tier workers that are in those spots due to job creation. That's a pretty good ratio and we'll worth the minor incentives put in by the government.

The computer science worker at intel can choose to work at a non profit for 10 years as well and have his loans paid off after that duration.

Thor’s debt may be forgiven and he’s going to be paying taxes as a top 20% earner for the rest of his life. That will equate to the well over to the ~100k (loan amount) that society will receive over the course of his career. If for example you are a 50%ile earner, the government is incentivized to pay thors loans if the alternative was Thor was just going to be a 50%ile worker like you with no loan forgiveness

If The intel programmer is smart he won’t utilize that option because the capacity to grow in private sector vastly outweighs the money he would be saving with 10 years of non profit service. He still has the option to however. What a terrible example

This post was edited by Bazi on Jan 9 2021 03:29pm

You continue to fail to understand. Can Thor pay back the debt he took from the American Taxpayer? Yes. As an American Taxpayer, had I taken a loan, would I have to pay it back? Yes. He can pay it back, and he doesn't have to. What does that mean? I was stolen from to pay for him. It does not go beyond that. The fruits of my labor went to somebody else. Why? Because reasons. At a basic level, I'm not against funding labs and mouse torturers for the sake of public health. On the flipside, the idea that not only am I going to be on the hook for the salaries involved, but for the total cost of an education loan that I'd never have been forgiven?

Well, it's unforgivable. He consented to a loan. He either needs to repay it, or acknowledge that he's extremely deep into my pocket, and needs to shut the fuck up until he pays it back. I'm not particularly interested on excuses on this score. I work hard for my money. I don't give 2 shits about cancer research. If I get cancer, fine, I'll die. What I do care about is that what I work for is mine. The more my taxes increase to pay for the consenting loans of random leeches, the worse my life is. I sacrifice so that idiots like Thor can behave as though they're special.

So you're fine with him earning a higher salary via a public source and repaying his lone which would net zero difference for Thor and you? University pays him more, because the university has to pay him more because there's no other incentives on the table you're taxed more, Thor repays the loan and has a net zero difference.

This makes you happier?

What about military. The military will forgive all student debt if I serve five years as an officer. That's no good either? Actually I think it's only 4 years here now. One for ever year of schooling I believe.

Tax money are not your money, its the money you owe to the government as a cost of living in society. That being said Thor doesn't owe you shit, because money that paid his loans, while you pitched in, wasn't yours.

We live in a representative republic, however, and so there is an expectation that money raised via taxation is collectively "ours", insofar as our government exists to provide for our services and is responsible to us.

If the government spends tax revenue on Thor, it is raised (albeit indirectly at this point given perpetual deficits) from the public at large. The public at large bears the expense of paying for Thor's loan, just as the public bears the expense of all government programs. InsaneBobb, as (presumably) a taxpayer, has a vested interest in how society's collective wealth is taxed and spent.

He might object to certain programs, or how the tax money are spent, but saying that Thor owes him something its a nonsense, he just repays the loan by doing research.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lEGCH9_gvE


Joe Biden leaked audio admitting he’s going to do absolutely nothing during his term.


The progressive great white hope Lmfao

good. every time he tried to do anything it was a monstrosity (“black superpredators” crime bill, voting for the never-ending wars of establishment aggression, etc.)