That sounds nice on paper but as things exist today, you really think thats viable?

I would guess the answer is no so taking that into account, any real ideas or just pie in the sky?

charity and survival of the fittest

Hardcore libertarianism is no better of an idea than hardcore left or right in application

Yes voluntary interactions and liberty are viable.

You shouldn't assume and dismiss things that you aren't familiar with and don't understand.
There are countless books and articles written on the subject. Many available for free here https://mises.org/

"Abolishing slavery sounds nice on paper but as things exist today, you really think thats viable? I would guess the answer is no so taking that into account, any real ideas or just pie in the sky?" -Brian_D's ancestor in the 1800s

Without slavery, Who will pick the cotton?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 5 2019 01:02pm

"Hardcore" libertarianism isn't libertarianism. It's anarcho-capitalism.

Apples and hammers imo.

You fail to realize how static our society is. We were never meant to live in cities like we have. If the current state was abolished for something like a barter system, you would have an apocalypse.

Dont get me wrong, I like the idea myself but I am also a realist...

anarcho-capitalism is a type of libertarianism.

One could recognize the coercive nature of taxation while still being a minarchist, or anything else really.



I don't suggest a barter system and i support gradual changes for a freer society.

i don't think the binary argument of banishing the state is a fair criticism of Libertarianism.

Libertarians oppose non-voluntary state activity on principal, but they're not arguing they should all immediately be destroyed, nor that they don't benefit from some of them.

but the conversation often leads there.

"so you hate roads?"

"no, but they should be privately funded."

"so you dont drive on public roads, because if you do you're a hypocrite."

not that this is what you did, but its all too common.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 5 2019 01:12pm

Capitalism is inherently hierarchical and is therefore impossible to be anarchistic.

It's really Neo-feudalism with corporations.

If it ends with a good outcome that doesnt include mass-suffering then I am all for it.

I dont like paying taxes like most people but at the moment, I have too and need too so we can have a functioning society. I totally understand it as well from the war perspective, I do not support it and wish I had more control over where my money goes.

This post was edited by Brian_D on Jun 5 2019 01:14pm

It's basically the most extreme version of libertarianism. One which tends to ignore the fact that certain governmental functions are legitimate, and called for in the Constitution. Has government far outstripped it's Constitutional authority? Absolutely. Should it have zero role in our lives? Absolutely not. The ideal (IMO) would be for a lot of the functions of the federal government be moved to the states (like the Dept of Ed, for example), or eliminated if they serve no public good.