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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 12:56pm)
So, you're justifying the theft of my earnings to pay for your education when my earnings were being taxed while paying for my own education because... Why again? So that a private firm can make a profit in a rural area and pay for accounting educations for itself? I'm still confused where the return is for the tax payer who paid for your education. Please explain this, because I'm not seeing it. Why did I pay for my education when you did NOT pay for yours or have to pay it back? I mean, if the private firm that you work for did so well, why did they not repay the taxpayers' investment? Because that's what it is, no? An investment. We invest in you so that you return the investment plus interest to help all taxpayers. Doesn't seem it worked that way, instead, the only beneficiary was you and your company.

Interesting how you think I don't understand words. :)



You have yet to justify how you're anything but a leech. Talk less shit. You gained a free education off the backs of taxpayers (that includes burger flippers and shelf stockers) and are claiming it's fine because you're doing cancer research. That you're being paid for. By tax payers. With a better health plan than any of those burger flippers or shelf stockers can possibly afford as part of your compensation. Explain why the lowest of the low are required to pay for you, when you will not pay off that investment, so it can be used to benefit them? Because trust me, the burger flipper has neither the health plan, the money, or the time to benefit from your "research". :)


I already explained it five times you just can't read. The amount of social security and welfare is significantly reduced when an area is stimulated. The government's investment or your investment as you would like to call it is significantly less than if they had to just payout welfare since professionals would have not relocated and there would be no stimulus. Thus net tax needed is less and you're taxed less.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 9 2021 01:30pm)
Very theory-heavy jobs might. Dunno... a theoretical physicist who spends his time investigating multiverses where quantum spins are reversed or stuff like that for which there's basically zero practical application. Similarly, universities tend to be one of the most attractive employers for the humanities because there just arent a lot of private sector jobs in these fields. The average salary of novelists is probably lower than the average salary of literature professors.


You may have a point on certain creative type fields like art music literature

Regarding scientific fields, there is no comparison imo. Not even remotely close
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Quote (SBD @ 9 Jan 2021 12:00)
I already explained it five times you just can't read. The amount of social security and welfare is significantly reduced when an area is stimulated. The government's investment or your investment as you would like to call it is significantly less than if they had to just payout welfare since professionals would have not relocated and there would be no stimulus. Thus net tax needed is less and you're taxed less.


Wait wait. So you're saing the entire area was turned into a professional paradise?!

Oh, no, wait. A tiny fraction of the population received a boost in income, and the rest of the population works as a service industry to support those few professionals. That service population is still paid below average wage and drawing welfare. Correct? Seen this scenario too many times to buy into what you're selling. :)

Quote (Bazi @ 9 Jan 2021 12:00)
Did you refuse the thousands of dollars of stimulus u stole from me to pay for vodka?

If I could choose where my taxes were going, would I pick Thor cancer research or drunk bobs vodka


LOL. What thousands of dollars? What was it... $1200 the first time, $600 the second time? That's not thousands mate. But, let's go there. First, if you think I'd manage thousands worth of vodka and still be alive, you're a fucking idiot. Second, I have a household to maintain, and spend relatively little on alcohol. Third, I paid those taxes too. As a point in fact, what I received in 2020 even after BOTH stimulus checks and my returns was less than I paid in in 2019. You didn't fund shit for me, chump. Try harder.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 02:12pm)
Wait wait. So you're saing the entire area was turned into a professional paradise?!

Oh, no, wait. A tiny fraction of the population received a boost in income, and the rest of the population works as a service industry to support those few professionals. That service population is still paid below average wage and drawing welfare. Correct? Seen this scenario too many times to buy into what you're selling. :)



LOL. What thousands of dollars? What was it... $1200 the first time, $600 the second time? That's not thousands mate. But, let's go there. First, if you think I'd manage thousands worth of vodka and still be alive, you're a fucking idiot. Second, I have a household to maintain, and spend relatively little on alcohol. Third, I paid those taxes too. As a point in fact, what I received in 2020 even after BOTH stimulus checks and my returns was less than I paid in in 2019. You didn't fund shit for me, chump. Try harder.


The government still gave you free money. I would have hoped you paid SOMETHING so nn to brag that you did. I would further hope you would have paid more than 2k annually so you aren’t a complete drain given your view so don’t think too qualifies for bragging rights. it’s still a hand out you received out of the governments pocket book. It’s still someone like me who is objectively paying for more of it, where would I rather my dollars to go? 1$ to your vodka or 1$ to cancer research. You can correct me on the 1$ if you like and let us know specifically how much went to your alcohol so we can clarify the numbers in this conversation




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Quote (Bazi @ 9 Jan 2021 12:20)
The government still gave you free money. I would have hoped you paid SOMETHING so nn to brag that you did. I would further hope you would have paid more than 2k annually so you aren’t a complete drain given your view so don’t think too qualifies for bragging rights. it’s still a hand out you received out of the governments pocket book. It’s still someone like me who is objectively paying for more of it, where would I rather my dollars to go? 1$ to your vodka or 1$ to cancer research. You can correct me on the 1$ if you like and let us know specifically how much went to your alcohol so we can clarify the numbers in this conversation


Which part of "I paid more than I received even after stimulus" do you not understand? That's not "free money". That's handing me my change after they overcharged me. I wasn't given anything "free". I simply had less stolen from me.

Again, I paid my education while paying taxes. Now you're attempting to excuse the idea that others get free college off MY back, that they never have to repay. The worst part is, when the job is a public sector job, aka TAXES pay for it, and the person is making plenty more than enough to pay BACK the loan, and they willfully refuse, what's up?

The government didn't loan me money. The government didn't pay for my education. I owe the government nothing. You're trying to equate taking a loan directly from taxpayers and refusing to pay it back with... What, exactly? Dutifully paying taxes, and receiving slightly more change? Come on man, try harder.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 02:27pm)
Which part of "I paid more than I received even after stimulus" do you not understand? That's not "free money". That's handing me my change after they overcharged me. I wasn't given anything "free". I simply had less stolen from me.

Again, I paid my education while paying taxes. Now you're attempting to excuse the idea that others get free college off MY back, that they never have to repay. The worst part is, when the job is a public sector job, aka TAXES pay for it, and the person is making plenty more than enough to pay BACK the loan, and they willfully refuse, what's up?

The government didn't loan me money. The government didn't pay for my education. I owe the government nothing. You're trying to equate taking a loan directly from taxpayers and refusing to pay it back with... What, exactly? Dutifully paying taxes, and receiving slightly more change? Come on man, try harder.



Wait so Thor doing cancer research (for society) and getting paid substantially less than market average, is not paying back to society? People are supposed to do these jobs out of the goodness of their hearts and have no financial incentive?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 02:27pm)
Which part of "I paid more than I received even after stimulus" do you not understand? That's not "free money". That's handing me my change after they overcharged me. I wasn't given anything "free". I simply had less stolen from me.

Again, I paid my education while paying taxes. Now you're attempting to excuse the idea that others get free college off MY back, that they never have to repay. The worst part is, when the job is a public sector job, aka TAXES pay for it, and the person is making plenty more than enough to pay BACK the loan, and they willfully refuse, what's up?

The government didn't loan me money. The government didn't pay for my education. I owe the government nothing. You're trying to equate taking a loan directly from taxpayers and refusing to pay it back with... What, exactly? Dutifully paying taxes, and receiving slightly more change? Come on man, try harder.


I will pay back exactly what my loan terms require. It just so happens that if I work at a non-profit I will not have to pay back the entire amount. That is all. I am not stealing, it's in the agreement and it was a factor in taking the loan in the first place.

I am taking a pay cut to work where I am working, and because that is the case they give me a financial incentive to stay in the form of loan forgiveness.

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Quote (Bazi @ 9 Jan 2021 12:43)
Wait so Thor doing cancer research (for society) and getting paid substantially less than market average, is not paying back to society? People are supposed to do these jobs out of the goodness of their hearts and have no financial incentive?


Thor doing cancer research and being paid significantly more than the mean average of the tax payer who's funding his salary while guaranteeing a greater level of healthcare and retirement benefits, and not having to pay back the loan that taxpayers extended in good faith is indeed bad. Don't be sat there and tell me that his job is special because of the nature of research. He's easily in the top 20% earner bracket if not higher, and those paying his salary also paid for his education and 80% earn less than him. Goodness of his heart? Don't believe it for a moment. He's got a kushie government job with excellent government benefits with a forgiven education loan, dropping 100% of his livelihood on stealing from taxpayer's paychecks.

Again, he takes a job a pfizer, a company that actually produces cures, and pays his debt back to society, aka the debt he voluntarily initiated? Full respect. As it is? Just another useless leech.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 02:58pm)
Thor doing cancer research and being paid significantly more than the mean average of the tax payer who's funding his salary while guaranteeing a greater level of healthcare and retirement benefits, and not having to pay back the loan that taxpayers extended in good faith is indeed bad. Don't be sat there and tell me that his job is special because of the nature of research. He's easily in the top 20% earner bracket if not higher, and those paying his salary also paid for his education and 80% earn less than him. Goodness of his heart? Don't believe it for a moment. He's got a kushie government job with excellent government benefits with a forgiven education loan, dropping 100% of his livelihood on stealing from taxpayer's paychecks.

Again, he takes a job a pfizer, a company that actually produces cures, and pays his debt back to society, aka the debt he voluntarily initiated? Full respect. As it is? Just another useless leech.


It doesn't matter if I make more than the average taxpayer. The important thing is I could be making more than I make now, and I am forgoing that. If I didn't have the option for student loan forgiveness I would be working at Pfizer or Beyer or some other pharma company, and the public would be missing out on the work I am doing now. When you do work at Pfizer if your project doesn't produce results that are profitable to Pfizer then they are locked away and never seen again. If you do work at a public university then your publication is available to everybody and they can build on that work, and that results in a huge benefit to both private companies and governments.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 9 2021 02:58pm)
Thor doing cancer research and being paid significantly more than the mean average of the tax payer who's funding his salary while guaranteeing a greater level of healthcare and retirement benefits, and not having to pay back the loan that taxpayers extended in good faith is indeed bad. Don't be sat there and tell me that his job is special because of the nature of research. He's easily in the top 20% earner bracket if not higher, and those paying his salary also paid for his education and 80% earn less than him. Goodness of his heart? Don't believe it for a moment. He's got a kushie government job with excellent government benefits with a forgiven education loan, dropping 100% of his livelihood on stealing from taxpayer's paychecks.

Again, he takes a job a pfizer, a company that actually produces cures, and pays his debt back to society, aka the debt he voluntarily initiated? Full respect. As it is? Just another useless leech.



Making claims about salary without comparing to debt ratio is naive. It takes a minimum amount of debt to take up some of these jobs. Why is he in the top 20% of earners and could he have done it without the debt he has taken on. Agreements are in place for reasonable pay off strategies prior to him even taking on that amount of debt, which is why he chose the path he did. The same way any American can. If the burden of debt wasn’t so much then these strategies wouldn’t be necessary. Society has determined this is an acceptable trade and is willing to forgive this debt because he’s going to be paying more taxes his entire life anyway. Since he’s in the top 20% he will be paying more than his fair share even with this. The cause is irrelevant and cancer research is an added benefit, this is strictly from a numbers perspective

That is a fairly easy decision for society to make. Would one Rather have an individual at 50%ile income bracket and not aid in education forgiveness or rather have an individual at 80%ile income bracket and aid in education forgiveness for 10-20% of his career, with that individual overall contributing considerably more than he would have.

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