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May 4 2022 01:03pm
Quote (fender @ May 4 2022 01:45pm)
doubling down on missing the whole point i see. it's not supposed to be a 'realistic, everyday scenario', it's supposed to illustrate a point about anti-choicer's disingenuous appeals to emotion with their shitty "murdering babies" narrative...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-perspec-chapman-abortion-murder-williamson-homicide-0429-20180427-story.html


Illustrate a *farcical point* about murdering babies.

There. FTFY
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May 4 2022 01:09pm
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Illustrate a *farcical point* about murdering babies.

There. FTFY


no wonder you repeatedly "whooshed" it... it's not hilariously poor reading comprehension and lack of basic logic, one simply can't be a true, not religiously motivated anti-choicer while maintaining intellectually honest.
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May 4 2022 01:09pm
Not going to lie I haven't read a single post here so I could be way off base but if you can still travel and have an abortion doesn't this just have its most major impact on poor people. People who can't support a child. I don't know the statistics off hand, but I'd be willing to bet the people having abortions the most are those living in poverty, with the highest rates among African Americans. If that were true, 73% or something wild like that of African American children are born out of wedlock, there's not going to be child support coming.

Not sure America just needs more system kids growing up.
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May 4 2022 01:11pm
I always felt abortion is morally wrong as it's the deliberate termination of human life. Seeing something tiny on the ultrasound squiggling about within a few months just reinforces my view on this matter.
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May 4 2022 01:13pm
Quote (SBD @ May 4 2022 12:09pm)
Not going to lie I haven't read a single post here so I could be way off base but if you can still travel and have an abortion doesn't this just have its most major impact on poor people. People who can't support a child. I don't know the statistics off hand, but I'd be willing to bet the people having abortions the most are those living in poverty, with the highest rates among African Americans. If that were true, 73% or something wild like that of African American children are born out of wedlock, there's not going to be child support coming.

Not sure America just needs more system kids growing up.


This weirds me out as well, if republicans hate black people so much why would they be fighting so hard to have that much more of them?

Fucking idiots.
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May 4 2022 01:14pm
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I always felt abortion is morally wrong as it's the deliberate termination of human life. Seeing something tiny on the ultrasound squiggling about within a few months just reinforces my view on this matter.


You're also in a vastly different position in life than the bulk of the people having abortions, and our view points are often a reflection of the aggregate of our own individual circumstances.
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May 4 2022 01:16pm
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I always felt abortion is morally wrong as it's the deliberate termination of human life. Seeing something tiny on the ultrasound squiggling about within a few months just reinforces my view on this matter.


So you're a "save the embryos" kinda guy huh.
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May 4 2022 01:17pm
Quote (fender @ May 4 2022 11:56am)
you're still acting like conservatives are coming from a place of compassion. why do they then oppose measures that would ACTUALLY prevent abortions? why do they oppose social safety nets that would take financial pressure off young mothers? context matters. predictable outcomes matter. you personally might think you're morally good, and that that alone entitles you to determine how other people live their lives (quite the contradiction in MY opinion btw), but even if we simply disagree on what we "value" how much (just ignore the fact that i repeatedly stated how i'm not a fan of abortions, and strongly support measures to decrease the need for them) - what we BOTH know for a FACT is that conservatives' push against abortion will NOT prevent them. it will only make them less safe - and it will disproportionally devastate poor and minority women. all so you can act all high and mighty of how much you value fetuses over women's rights...


A lot are, especially in the Catholic church. If a woman weeps for aborted fetuses, I'm not going to question the sincerity of her belief and I'm going to assume it comes from a place of compassion. Many of those people STRONGLY support adoption, expanded childcare, etc. There's a reason why many on the right want to expand benefits for families. In my experience, your average pro-lifer genuinely wants to help children. I also think you need to distinguish between VOTERS and the people creating the policy. You're not wrong that many elected officials are full of shit and they often ignore the will of the voters.

As to the question why they oppose pragmatic measures, there are a number of reasons:
1) They could simply be misinformed and they would say something like "condoms don't work and only encourage more sex"
2) They may believe that alternative paths exist that haven't been tried (how many times have we heard from libertarians that we've never REALLY had a free market lol)

It should not surprise you that many Americans will vote for things that are actually COUNTER to their belief system when you look at the practical effects of the policy.
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May 4 2022 01:19pm
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A lot are, especially in the Catholic church. If a woman weeps for aborted fetuses, I'm not going to question the sincerity of her belief and I'm going to assume it comes from a place of compassion. Many of those people STRONGLY support adoption, expanded childcare, etc. There's a reason why many on the right want to expand benefits for families. In my experience, your average pro-lifer genuinely wants to help children. I also think you need to distinguish between VOTERS and the people creating the policy. You're not wrong that many elected officials are full of shit and they often ignore the will of the voters.

As to the question why they oppose pragmatic measures, there are a number of reasons:
1) They could simply be misinformed and they would say something like "condoms don't work and only encourage more sex"
2) They may believe that alternative paths exist that haven't been tried (how many times have we heard from libertarians that we've never REALLY had a free market lol)

It should not surprise you that many Americans will vote for things that are actually COUNTER to their belief system when you look at the practical effects of the policy.


compassion for an embryo and compassion for the child when its born are separate but related topics to pro life conservatives, but they're the same topic to pro choice liberals. its been the boon of these discussions for decades.
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May 4 2022 01:23pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 4 2022 12:19pm)
compassion for an embryo and compassion for the child when its born are separate but related topics to pro life conservatives, but they're the same topic to pro choice liberals. its been the boon of these discussions for decades.


Even with all our technology today. If we decide to save those 1000 embryos from that fire instead of the child, were not making a single human out of them.
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