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Apr 17 2022 06:52pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 17 2022 08:49pm)
What is don't say gay distracting us from?
Please shine a light on it for us all to see.
Spell it out for us in clear and certain terms. I beg you.



Who are "they", and why do they want me mad?
Many people here have disagreed with me here and I have yet to be mad about that.
This is a forum for political debate after all, and I expect people to disagree with me.

Others have insisted that I was "mad" "upset", or even" "triggered". But I actually am not!
It seems like a tactic being used against me to shut down the conversation.


Who created the bill.
Why would it benefit them if you were upset about the bill?
Who opposes the bill.
Why would it benefit them if you were upset about the bill?
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Apr 17 2022 07:00pm
Quote (Mondain @ Apr 17 2022 08:52pm)
Who created the bill.
Why would it benefit them if you were upset about the bill?


As far as I'm aware republican politicians created the bill and voted for it.
Those republican politicians themselves stand to benefit from it, as a majority of their platform depends on moral outrage from self created non existent controversy.

Quote (Mondain @ Apr 17 2022 08:52pm)
Who opposes the bill.
Why would it benefit them if you were upset about the bill?


People who care more about facts than feelings of moral outrage oppose the bill. Because, the fact is that this bill will hurt our children's education.
Therefore, society as a whole stands to benefit from opposing this bill.


Once again I have answered your questions comprehensively and elaborately.
Why is it that you still have not answered any of my questions?
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Apr 17 2022 07:06pm
I begged you to please spell it out for us in certain terms.
And you followed that with questions.

Say what you have to say.
Make a statement not a question.
Say it, spell it out loud and clear for us all.
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Apr 17 2022 07:22pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 17 2022 09:00pm)
As far as I'm aware republican politicians created the bill and voted for it.
Those republican politicians themselves stand to benefit from it, as a majority of their platform depends on moral outrage from self created non existent controversy.



People who care more about facts than feelings of moral outrage oppose the bill. Because, the fact is that this bill will hurt our children's education.
Therefore, society as a whole stands to benefit from opposing this bill.


Once again I have answered your questions comprehensively and elaborately.
Why is it that you still have not answered any of my questions?


At the cost of division and a blow to parent's rights and involvement in their child's education.
Weighing the pro's and con's and understanding the long-term consequences of policy is what leads us best into the future.
This debate is a non-sequitur since liberals continuously push for more.
So in a year, we'll be arguing about some bizarre action taken born from the overwhelming power liberal govts have at the moment.
And at the rate at which they are shaping the future, whilst ignoring and silencing dissent, you may eventually realize not all change is good.
And not all policy born in good faith has positive outcomes.
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Apr 17 2022 07:36pm
Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
At the cost of division and a blow to parent's rights and involvement in their child's education.


You do understand that private schools and homeschooling are entirely legal. Parents have every right to control every single aspect of their child's education.
The issue is when they send their children to public school and want to control and be involved with everyone else's child's education as well.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
Weighing the pro's and con's and understanding the long-term consequences of policy is what leads us best into the future.

Sex-ed and gender inclusion has proved to be beneficial to a child's life in the long term. This law is restricting that.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
This debate is a non-sequitur since liberals continuously push for more.


The liberals opposed a law that was being pushed by the republicans, and you are trying to frame it as the liberals pushing for something? I don't think so.



Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
So in a year, we'll be arguing about some bizarre action taken born from the overwhelming power liberal govts have at the moment.


You can't pretend to know what people will be arguing about in a year. You can't predict what's going to be on the news next week.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
And at the rate at which they are shaping the future, whilst ignoring and silencing dissent, you may eventually realize not all change is good.


In the context of the don't say gay law, how are the liberals shaping our future? The republicans are the one's wanting to change the shape of public education. And public education has a great importance to our future.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:22pm)
And not all policy born in good faith has positive outcomes.


This is why it is so important to have these conversations before hastily moving a vaguely worded bill into law.
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Apr 17 2022 07:48pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 17 2022 09:36pm)
You do understand that private schools and homeschooling are entirely legal. Parents have every right to control every single aspect of their child's education.
The issue is when they send their children to public school and want to control and be involved with everyone else's child's education as well.


Sex-ed and gender inclusion has proved to be beneficial to a child's life in the long term. This law is restricting that.



The liberals opposed a law that was being pushed by the republicans, and you are trying to frame it as the liberals pushing for something? I don't think so.





You can't pretend to know what people will be arguing about in a year. You can't predict what's going to be on the news next week.



In the context of the don't say gay law, how are the liberals shaping our future? The republicans are the one's wanting to change the shape of public education. And public education has a great importance to our future.



This is why it is so important to have these conversations before hastily moving a vaguely worded bill into law.


Show me the conversation where the left doesn't melt down, throw mud, or go silent under pressure.
Show me the conversation where the right doesn't ask dumb ass questions, and asks the left when they'll be happy.
The right and left don't appear to find middle ground on issues, that's my issue.

If we we're truly tolerant people, we wouldn't be outraged that Florida wants to do it their way. What's wrong with that?


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Apr 17 2022 08:02pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 17 2022 09:36pm)
You do understand that private schools and homeschooling are entirely legal. Parents have every right to control every single aspect of their child's education.
The issue is when they send their children to public school and want to control and be involved with everyone else's child's education as well.


Sex-ed and gender inclusion has proved to be beneficial to a child's life in the long term. This law is restricting that.



The liberals opposed a law that was being pushed by the republicans, and you are trying to frame it as the liberals pushing for something? I don't think so.





You can't pretend to know what people will be arguing about in a year. You can't predict what's going to be on the news next week.



In the context of the don't say gay law, how are the liberals shaping our future? The republicans are the one's wanting to change the shape of public education. And public education has a great importance to our future.



This is why it is so important to have these conversations before hastily moving a vaguely worded bill into law.


The bill stunts the progression of an evolving "science". For which all facts are based on feelings. So hopefully a real conversation happens before another bill gets passed that rips the labels off elementary school bathrooms in the name of gender equality.
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Apr 17 2022 08:33pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2022 01:59pm)

Imagine claiming to be a super smart engineer and not understanding words can have two meanings.


Well, to be fair, you didn't know the difference between theory and evidence, and you are purportedly a scientist. At least he has the excuse that words are not his specialty.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2022 03:20pm)
Why are you so fragile that you think two meetings are a punishment?


Punishment does not stop being punishment just because there isn't a lot of it.

Besides, he never said the meetings were a punishment. As far as I know, he was saying that they were a nuisance and a waste of time.
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Apr 17 2022 08:40pm
Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:48pm)
Show me the conversation where the left doesn't melt down, throw mud, or go silent under pressure.
Show me the conversation where the right doesn't ask dumb ass questions, and asks the left when they'll be happy.


Your the one making those claims, the burden of proof is on you.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 09:48pm)
The right and left don't appear to find middle ground on issues, that's my issue.

If we we're truly tolerant people, we wouldn't be outraged that Florida wants to do it their way. What's wrong with that?


The left is pretty clear on the matter. The only way to achieve tolerance is by giving no tolerance to intolerance.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 10:02pm)
The bill stunts the progression of an evolving "science".


Funny choice of words there. Are you against teaching evolution as well?

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 10:02pm)
For which all facts are based on feelings.


Did you ever "feel straight" because if not, being straight or gay isn't a feeling. And I don't care how you feel about that fact.

Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Apr 17 2022 10:02pm)
So hopefully a real conversation happens before another bill gets passed that rips the labels off elementary school bathrooms in the name of gender equality.


What is it with the bathroom thing? Do you feel threatened when a homosexual uses a gendered bathroom? They are attracted to the same gender as the bathroom they are using! But wait, there's no data that has proven that to be problematic in any way? Just puritanical fearmongering based on feeling, not facts?

This post was edited by David_911 on Apr 17 2022 08:41pm
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