Quote (Djunior @ Aug 25 2023 04:44pm)
Too scared to quote me directly NATO shill?
I take it that you understand your hopeless position, NATO expansion is a fact that cannot be denied and NATO has no business in Ukraine other than wanting that territory in order to fuck Russia.
Take that capital L and bow out
You know my position very fucking well. NATO should've stayed where they are, they're a defensive alliance after all, right?
YOUR position is that Ukraine becomes a NATO member at all cost and I strongly oppose that nonsense because the war will never end as long as Ukrainian neutrality is not guaranteed.
Start serious negotiations with the Russians and end the war that way. I stated that from the beginning remember ^_^
Firstly don't strawman me by defining my position. You're incorrect and that is dishonest.
Secondly I didn't ask you about the causes of the war. I'm asking that if you do no support the prolonging of the war. Then you surely agree that Russia should leave Ukraine? Ergo ending the war literally immediately.
I know you think revisionism is something natural. But it is not. We are not talking about rewriting history. Otherwise we could bring up Russia supporting separatism in the Donbass, instigating public disorder in Ukraine, using its security apparatus to assist Ukraines deposed government in murdering its own civilians. Russian miltary entering Crimea without insignia and usurping control from Ukraine. The list is endless.
These things have happened. But let's deal with what could happen to end a war which you accuse NATO of prolonging by supporting Ukraine.
Which is ironic as Russia receives military aid from countries. And I dont see you accusing Iran, North Korea or South Africa of prolonging the war. Perhaps you have a predetermined bias?
So finally I'll refer you back to these questions again in the faint hope that you don't dodge them for a third time.
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 24 2023 10:09pm)
That's not what I asked though. I'm trying to establish your position. You say you don't support the war so by extension you ought to agree with these statements.
Russia should not invade its neighbour ergo no war, agree or disagree?
Russia should leave Ukraine ergo the war ends, agree or disagree?
Do you agree or not?