Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 12:59pm)

if there isn't a gun in a room, and there is a gun in a room, which room has a higher chance for a violent death to occur without factoring in humans?

guns aren't costume pieces, any time you carry one you have to be ready to use it, and in this case to kill another human being.

i'm well aware of open carry versus concealed carry differences in violent crime, i'm speaking to how people are trained to carry firearms and what to expect other people to think about it. comparing a state like Vermont to Texas isnt helpful because the reactions to guns generally are so different.

if a fist fight is happening and i walk into break it up with my gun in hand instead of unarmed the gun scenario is more of an escalation of violence, even if it is far more likely to deescalate the fight without me eating a punch.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 3 2021 10:57am)

We don't know. The jury will have to make a decision based on the evidence presented. If they think his actions and evidence point to this as his mental state then he will be convicted.

Inferring mental state is routine for juries. It's a factor in almost every trial both civil and criminal.

Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 3 2021 01:00pm)

I'll let you know if I survive my next Kwik Stop shoot out.
There might be some old western style beef on mainstreet and some quick draw match I need to attend later.

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 01:02pm)

I thought (could be wrong) that inferring mental states was only used in the case of determining if a crime is murder, or manslaughter.

If I stole a loaf of bread, it shouldn't matter whether I stole it to feed my starving children or because I loved to steal. I will have committed theft regardless.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 10:59am)

if there isn't a gun in a room, and there is a gun in a room, which room has a higher chance for a violent death to occur without factoring in humans?

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guns aren't costume pieces, any time you carry one you have to be ready to use it, and in this case to kill another human being.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 01:02pm)

Texas = everyone is carrying, openly.

Kenosha = Kyle was carrying, other's weren't.

he brought a gun to a fist fight. he escalated the potential from hand fighting, which can be fatal, to a shooting, which was.

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 01:05pm)

Why wouldn't you factor in humans though? Guns don't shoot themselves. They only shoot when operated by a human agent.

What's wrong with killing another human being? The way I see it, if bad people are being killed by guns, it's a good thing.

Quote (lolkggz @ 3 Nov 2021 14:06)

2 shots fired before kyle shot, not coming from kyle. This is a fact
Gaige was shot reaching for his pistol pretending to help kyle up and actually chasing him with a pistol This is a fact





I think we're done here, please research before you start slapping meat beaters on the keyboard.

Quote (Crunkt @ Nov 3 2021 01:09pm)

3 shots before,idiot

and the 3 shots werent from the person chasing him that was clearly not armed and threw a plastic bag in the direction of the guy.

But he was an idiot kid that cannot make proper judgement so actually he is just a racist murdering kid probably with republican parents that cheered him on the entire time from their Hog chairs while he literally murdered 2 unarmed people.