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Feb 16 2021 09:32pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 16 2021 10:05pm)
its a measurement that wasnt covered in "conclusion". the measurements are covered in the paper itself however. It is only subjective reasoning lying to one self that it doesnt count.

you mask zombies think a droplet is a solid. it will go through the mask like water through a straw carrying the cootie with it

eat it laughing boy
CO2levels increased significantly compared with baseline measures, especially when comparing anN95 with a surgical mask to only an N95....
CO2levels increased significantly compared with baseline measures, especially when comparing anN95 with a surgical mask to only an N95....
CO2levels increased significantly compared with baseline measures, especially when comparing anN95 with a surgical mask to only an N95....
CO2levels increased significantly compared with baseline measures, especially when comparing anN95 with a surgical mask to only an N95....


as i thought, you have no idea what a conclusion is...
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Feb 16 2021 09:36pm
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as i thought, you have no idea what a conclusion is...


just because it wasnt addressed in the conclusion doesnt automatically mean the data magically disappears. no matter how much a mask zombie believes in magic.
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Feb 16 2021 09:39pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 16 2021 07:27pm)
Except it isn't, because water attaches to the mask when it comes in contact. Viruses don't travel in water vapor, they travel in droplets, which are much larger.

We've pointed this out to him about 10 times but he refuses to learn ;) All lizard brain, which is why he insisted that hospitals only use masks for bacteria even though they use them for diseases that have virus right there in the name.


ya you make all kinds of excuses (and cheap straw manning tactics) but wont post any data, lets try again
how big is a virus?
how big is a bacteria?
how big are the pores in a mask?

let me try to drag you around like a obstinate lil puppy
how big is a virus, we would of coure be talking about the big boogq wooga virus corona?
abcdust.net › how-large-is-a-corona-virus-virion-comp...
Apr 28, 2020 — Virions (or "particles") of coronary viruses are spherical particles between 0.06 micron and 0.14 micron in diameter, averaging about 0.125 ...

ok did you see that? now you do
how big is a bacteria?
then
how big are the pores in a mask?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Feb 16 2021 09:48pm
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Feb 16 2021 09:42pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Feb 2021 19:27)
Except it isn't, because water attaches to the mask when it comes in contact. Viruses don't travel in water vapor, they travel in droplets, which are much larger.

We've pointed this out to him about 10 times but he refuses to learn ;) All lizard brain, which is why he insisted that hospitals only use masks for bacteria even though they use them for diseases that have virus right there in the name.


Not water. "Respiratory droplets" does not necessarily mean "water". Again, covid is airborne, according to the CDC. The information put out by the CDC is that it IS spread through aerosolized vaper you exhale.

The CDC claims an n95 mask will catch approximately 60% of the virus that you exhale. It also claims that the virus can survive in such aerosolized vaper for up to 3 hours. Note: Adding a secondary mask only improves the "catch" rate an additional 6%.

So, the math seems pretty simple: Pack a thousand people in a walmart, all of whom are wearing mask, 40% of the virus they exhale is still going to escape the mask, and hang around for hours. Thus, Walmart and these other corporate locations are all superspreaders.

The lockdowns, which limit what businesses people can utilize to these giant corporations in many areas are doing more to SPREAD the virus than contain it. :)
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Not water. "Respiratory droplets" does not necessarily mean "water". Again, covid is airborne, according to the CDC. The information put out by the CDC is that it IS spread through aerosolized vaper you exhale.

The CDC claims an n95 mask will catch approximately 60% of the virus that you exhale. It also claims that the virus can survive in such aerosolized vaper for up to 3 hours. Note: Adding a secondary mask only improves the "catch" rate an additional 6%.

So, the math seems pretty simple: Pack a thousand people in a walmart, all of whom are wearing mask, 40% of the virus they exhale is still going to escape the mask, and hang around for hours. Thus, Walmart and these other corporate locations are all superspreaders.

The lockdowns, which limit what businesses people can utilize to these giant corporations in many areas are doing more to SPREAD the virus than contain it. :)


big corporations made a killing during the scamdemic. its always funny how democrat policy always benefits corporate elite.
in the end mask zombies are just corporate elite shills.

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 16 2021 09:42pm)
Not water. "Respiratory droplets" does not necessarily mean "water". Again, covid is airborne, according to the CDC. The information put out by the CDC is that it IS spread through aerosolized vaper you exhale.

The CDC claims an n95 mask will catch approximately 60% of the virus that you exhale. It also claims that the virus can survive in such aerosolized vaper for up to 3 hours. Note: Adding a secondary mask only improves the "catch" rate an additional 6%.

So, the math seems pretty simple: Pack a thousand people in a walmart, all of whom are wearing mask, 40% of the virus they exhale is still going to escape the mask, and hang around for hours. Thus, Walmart and these other corporate locations are all superspreaders.

The lockdowns, which limit what businesses people can utilize to these giant corporations in many areas are doing more to SPREAD the virus than contain it. :)


Respiratory droplets are water. Water is the solvent you breathe out. There's going to be other things in there, like virus and proteins, but it is water.

Most of the spread is through droplets, which are effectively blocked by a mask. Masks are hydrophilic. The virus does not spread significantly outside of droplets. A bare virus exposed to the atmosphere and not in a water droplet becomes inactivated much faster than one that is inside of a water droplet. Additionally, most of the spread is not through the air over long distances, but through close contact. Remember that viral concentration will drop off with the area of the circle around the host, which means that it follows the inverse square law. So when you double the distance from the host you are cutting the viral concentration in 1/4th. Another doubling and it's 1/16th, and this also cuts down the chance of spreading. By using the mask just to limit how far your breathe travels you further cut down the rate of spread of virus from yourself if you are a carrier.

The conclusion that lockdowns limiting business access leading to increased spread is not one supported by the evidence. So far there's been, like, one study that concluded lockdowns didn't help and several dozen that concluded they do. Usually the one brought out is the one that compares Nordic countries to America, which isn't a good comparison because the Nordic counties still had what amounts to voluntary lockdowns without the government mandating it. You're taking other observations and inferring that they won't help, but that isn't the same as direct evidence.

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Respiratory droplets are water. Water is the solvent you breathe out. There's going to be other things in there, like virus and proteins, but it is water.

Most of the spread is through droplets, which are effectively blocked by a mask. Masks are hydrophilic. The virus does not spread significantly outside of droplets. A bare virus exposed to the atmosphere and not in a water droplet becomes inactivated much faster than one that is inside of a water droplet. Additionally, most of the spread is not through the air over long distances, but through close contact. Remember that viral concentration will drop off with the area of the circle around the host, which means that it follows the inverse square law. So when you double the distance from the host you are cutting the viral concentration in 1/4th. Another doubling and it's 1/16th, and this also cuts down the chance of spreading. By using the mask just to limit how far your breathe travels you further cut down the rate of spread of virus from yourself if you are a carrier.

The conclusion that lockdowns limiting business access is not one supported by the evidence. So far there's been, like, one study that concluded lockdowns didn't help and several dozen that concluded they do. Usually the one brought out is the one that compares Nordic countries to America, which isn't a good comparison because the Nordic counties still had what amounts to voluntary lockdowns without the government mandating it. You're taking other observations and inferring that they won't help, but that isn't the same as direct evidence.


Glad you're here to tell us the CDC is wrong in their officially released information regarding covid and masks.

You're fake news. :)

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 16 2021 09:56pm)
Glad you're here to tell us the CDC is wrong in their officially released information regarding covid and masks.

You're fake news. :)


Nothing I said contradicts the CDC lol

I actually based my information on the CDC's webpage as I typed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html


I know you like to make fun of me for dropping out of medical school, but the fact remains is except for Bazi and Neptunus, who post far less frequently, I'm the one on the forum best equipped to interpret and explain this stuff.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 16 2021 07:54pm)
Respiratory droplets are water. Water is the solvent you breathe out. There's going to be other things in there, like virus and proteins, but it is water.

Most of the spread is through droplets, which are effectively blocked by a mask. Masks are hydrophilic. The virus does not spread significantly outside of droplets. A bare virus exposed to the atmosphere and not in a water droplet becomes inactivated much faster than one that is inside of a water droplet. Additionally, most of the spread is not through the air over long distances, but through close contact. Remember that viral concentration will drop off with the area of the circle around the host, which means that it follows the inverse square law. So when you double the distance from the host you are cutting the viral concentration in 1/4th. Another doubling and it's 1/16th, and this also cuts down the chance of spreading. By using the mask just to limit how far your breathe travels you further cut down the rate of spread of virus from yourself if you are a carrier.

The conclusion that lockdowns limiting business access is not one supported by the evidence. So far there's been, like, one study that concluded lockdowns didn't help and several dozen that concluded they do. Usually the one brought out is the one that compares Nordic countries to America, which isn't a good comparison because the Nordic counties still had what amounts to voluntary lockdowns without the government mandating it. You're taking other observations and inferring that they won't help, but that isn't the same as direct evidence.


" You're taking other observations and inferring that they won't help, but that isn't the same as direct evidence."
(when has any of your bullchit been "direct evidence"
the pumping action of breathing draws the fluid through the mask like it would through a straw carrying the cootie right along with it. its only in your mind that the droplet gets absorbed and stays there.
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Feb 16 2021 10:03pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Feb 2021 19:59)
Nothing I said contradicts the CDC lol

I actually based my information on the CDC's webpage as I typed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html


Everything you're saying contradicts the CDC. And most of what you claim regarding the efficacy of masks can be proven categorically false with one simple question:

Why did entire research teams who were masked 100% of the time and went overboard on anti-viral measures end up contracting ebola? Why do hazmat suits with independent oxygen supplies exist?

60% catch rate does not mean "what's not caught won't infect you". It means the mask merely reduces the amount of virus you are spreading by 60%.

Why are you attempting to spin something into something it's not?
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