Agreed.

I just assume that the marshals did identify themselves. I see no reason why they wouldnt. The fact that they drove to his house in an anonymous van doesnt mean a lot. For their own safety, they had every incentive in the world to show their badges or verbally identify themselves as law enforcement when they went in.

Also... let's not pretend that Reinoehl is comparable to a completely innocent and unsuspecting citizen whose house is suddenly raided by the police. He knew he had just shot a man, and there's something like a 98% chance that he was aware of the oustanding arrest warrant for him. He must have known that the police were out for him, so when armed persons raid his house, it's not believable that he didnt know what was going on; that he thought it was an armed robbery or anything like that.

you mean other than national news outlets listing him as a suspect in the shooting with pictures of his face?

That's pretty weak sauce. "I might have a warrant I wasn't told about, so I should treat every intruder as though they are police".

I mean, there is a miniscule chance that he didnt tune in to the news since he shot the guy, you know, because he was busy fleeing the state... but even then, he must have known that the feds were out to get him...

so he has a reasonable idea that some right winged militia is going to come and assassinate him but it's unreasonable to think he'll be arrested for a crime he's listed as a suspect in my national news outlets?

ok....

any person who kills another person and then gets their name AND face plastered on national news has a reasonable idea that cops might arrest them. even if it was self defense, thats brought up in court. its funny how cops aren't supposed to be courts but the idea that they wouldnt arrest someone because he claims self defense totally checks out to people..... lol

I'm not saying the cops couldn't arrest them for the previous crime, I'm saying that he did nothing wrong if he fired on the cops because he didn't have a good reason to know they were cops. The difference between being kidnapped and being arrested is that you know the person is a cop.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 02:29pm

this rests on a presumption he didnt expect to be arrested. even if i accept wholesale he was afraid of reprisal from a fringe right wing white nationalist group that still means there's a 50-50 shot he's shooting at police. wouldn't the more prudent thing be to turn yourself in, be off the streets and not running from white nationalists, and then plead self defense to the DA to avoid a charge?

I'm not arguing what is prudent. I'm arguing what he had a right to do, and you have a right to self defense. 50/50 shot you're firing at the police also means 50/50 shot you're about to get lynched after all. The police could have surrounded the building and announced themselves, and turned that to 100/0. If they did announce themselves and he still fired on them... then he pretty much signed his own death certificate by escalating force.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 03:03pm

Self defense is subject to hindsight. Unless ur a cop. He's not a cop. U don't have Self defense in a lawful arrest.

There are pictures and the cops are not in uniform. They look like run of the mill Proud Boys.