Or an African Christian country. Often one which has had their policy influenced by Americans so.... yea...

This post was edited by Scaly on Jun 15 2016 08:45pm

Nullifying a person's identity because of one sexual detail of their life.



Ugandan radicals.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 15 2016 09:15pm

Do you really think American foreign policy encourages lashing gays?

The left supports talking to far worse countries than Uganda.

When they eats the poo poo.

That is a posiblity but the odds far favor muslim side of coin.

When I say pro-Islam I am saying pro-Quran as the Quran is the central religious text of Islam.
What do you think of when pro-Islam is mentioned?

I am not the one changing their identity, the Quran is.

This post was edited by majorblood on Jun 15 2016 10:08pm

doubt scaly was talking about official american foreign policy
it's conservative (mainly evangelical) christian missionaries from the usa



islam is not just the quran and it's various readings
there are several sects and within them there are various law schools and within those are again some different views
only someone with blinkers would not recognise the diversity from hateful fundamentalists to liberal minded muslims
islam for many is a way of life, just as being a christian can be (just ask the amish)

are the laws in some muslim countries 'backward' compared to the western world? certainly
but barely over hundred years ago there were catholic regions in europe where it was punishable to be from a different christian sect
and likewise protestant regions where being catholic was a crime

Do you agree with me that liberal minded Muslims are ignoring hateful parts of their holy text?
This is where I find the distinction from being a devout Muslim and culturally Muslim but abiding western values. I don't think someone can honestly be Christian/Muslim/etc but ignore their holy text.
You are much more likely to get a devote Muslim from problem areas like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc where their population is 99% Muslim and abide by Sharia Law. The way of life and law in those countries are not compatible with western society.

This post was edited by majorblood on Jun 16 2016 12:14am

do you agree that liberal minded christians/jews are ignoring hateful parts of their holy text?

what does liberal minded actually mean?
one can be a devout muslim/christian/jew but still acknowledge the right of others to behave differently
the problem are the fundamentalists which consider that each but their own faith is wrong (and maybe needs to be prosecuted)
some of the muslims i know are more or less secular but others are quite devout and are fasting atm (~one hour till sunset here)
but all respect the right of others to be different

as per your edit:

you are again confusing 'fundamentalist' with 'devout'
and you are wrong re iran, the population there is quite liberally minded
(that the leadership is conservative to fundamentalist is a different matter)


This post was edited by brmv on Jun 16 2016 12:09am

yes

to be a devout muslim/jew/christian you must follow your holy text, and the Quran says to stone gays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran
the LGBT laws in Iran don't seem that liberally minded here