Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 03:30pm)
...you made the positive claim , it is incumbent upon you to tell us why they are equivalent with something other than poor analogies .
If you torture an animal for psychological thrill, it results in the pain and/or death of the animal, and the good feeling you get from it: the thrill
If you farm animals in factories, it results in prolonged pain and suffering for the animals (the duration of their lives), and the good feeling you get from it: the taste in your mouth.
Now, of course, an argument against the latter is that we need food to survive, and of course no one disagrees that you have to do what you have to do to survive even if it means causing pain to other beings.
But our material conditions for the majority in the first world are such that eating animal products is nothing but a choice, as we have access to a diet completely free from them at no difficulty.
Further, with the mass farming of animals we externalize a huge cost to our environment. So not only is it directly the suffering of some animals, but it is the suffering of humanity in days to come. While I would not go out of my way to convince people of this, it could easily be argued that a vegan who tortures animals occasionally is doing less harm--is morally superior than a meat-eater who does not.