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Jun 4 2024 01:00pm
Quote (Landmine @ Jun 4 2024 08:28pm)
Trump had the chance to go after Hillary and he decided to be the better person.

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More like he tried and failed (see above)

His own terrorists "the best people" tried something else:




Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2024 08:28pm)
Here's what Trump had to say on election night 2016:
Trump did not wage lawfare against his political opponents when given the means, motive and opportunity. Not like the witch hunts against Alex Jones, Peter Navarro, Steven Bannon, Julian Assange, the January 6th rioters and of course Trump himself


I think Trump said many others things regarding Clinton, but let's cut the crap:
Transition to dictatorship, authoritarianism, or whatever equivalent regime is happening in several steps and guys like Trump are the first one.

This said, maybe for xenophobic & co reasons, SOME PEOPLE prefer this first step to happen: I can plenty understand it, it is THEIR right, and it has a meaning, at least :rofl:
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Jun 4 2024 01:44pm
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let's cut the crap:
Transition to dictatorship, authoritarianism, or whatever equivalent regime is happening in several steps and guys like Trump are the first one.

Trump didn't persecute his political rivals when he had the opportunity while his opponents are doing it. That's a fact that you can't get around, no matter how often you keep telling to yourself that it is actually Trump who's the fascist and the true danger to democracy.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2024 02:44pm)
Trump didn't persecute his political rivals when he had the opportunity while his opponents are doing it. That's a fact that you can't get around, no matter how often you keep telling to yourself that it is actually Trump who's the fascist and the true danger to democracy.


I absolutely can get around that. Trump tried to do a coup and stole a bunch of documents, many of which are still missing. It's not political persecution to hold leaders accountable. It's how Democracies must function.

It's incredible that people like you will pretend to care about Democracy and law and utterly avoid this.

and it's this kind of "well I may have blatantly broken the law but you tried to hold me accountable that's the real bad part" that will sink democracies. It's literally what happened in Germany where the judges gave lighter or no sentences to people who broke the law in favor of propping up the rising Nazis.


But you've made literal Nazi arguments in favor of DeSantis blatantly breaking the law, so I kind of expect that from you.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 4 2024 01:48pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2024 09:44pm)
Trump didn't persecute his political rivals when he had the opportunity while his opponents are doing it. That's a fact that you can't get around, no matter how often you keep telling to yourself that it is actually Trump who's the fascist and the true danger to democracy.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389

He wanted hard but they are smarter than him, not to mention his loyalists are well know fucking incompetent people anyway. And you just owned yourself.
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I absolutely can get around that. Trump tried to do a coup and stole a bunch of documents, many of which are still missing. It's not political persecution to hold leaders accountable. It's how Democracies must function.

It's incredible that people like you will pretend to care about Democracy and law and utterly avoid this.

and it's this kind of "well I may have blatantly broken the law but you tried to hold me accountable that's the real bad part" that will sink democracies. It's literally what happened in Germany where the judges gave lighter or no sentences to people who broke the law in favor of propping up the rising Nazis.


But you've made literal Nazi arguments in favor of DeSantis blatantly breaking the law, so I kind of expect that from you.


"Everyone I disagree with and who actually dares to get stuff done must be using nazi methods."
"Only a conservative who loses (with decorum!) is a good conservative."



If Trump gets tried for the stolen documents, or for his role in Jan 6 [FN1]... and it happens in a fair trial, then I fully support that. But that's not what we're talking about here.

We're talking about a DA who explicitly ran on getting Trump, bringing charges for an 8 year old case which is a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations had long passed, a case which no other law enforcement agency deemed viable. He was twisting and torturing the law to somehow lift this into a felony charge, under the oversight of a blatantly partisan judge who is a Biden donor and ran intereference on the DA's behalf all the time. The case was tried in front of a jury selected from a deep-blue constituency in which there are 5 Biden voters for every single Trump voter. Even former colleagues and friends of the DA call it out as BS, as do countless reputable legal experts and even most of Trump's intra-party foes.



[FN1] Note that Trump is not actually charged with insurrection in the federal election intereference case, even if Democrats and their media allies love to namedrop "Jan 6" when talking about this case.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ 4 Jun 2024 22:04)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389

He wanted hard but they are smarter than him, not to mention his loyalists are well know fucking incompetent people anyway. And you just owned yourself.


Trump could have fired Barr and brought in an AG who does his bidding, but he didn't. And that's what counts.

Also, what does it tell you that Trump appointed people with baseline integrity who reined in his worst impulses while Biden brought in faithful party hacks who willingly go after his political opponents under any premise, no matter how justified or ridiculous, no matter how much they have to stretch and twist the law?

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2024 10:13pm)
Trump could have fired Barr and brought in an AG who does his bidding, but he didn't. And that's what counts.

Also, what does it tell you that Trump appointed people with baseline integrity who reined in his worst impulses while Biden brought in faithful party hacks who willingly go after his political opponents under any premise, no matter how justified or ridiculous, no matter how much they have to stretch and twist the law?


This fits with what i said in the previous post:

"Transition to dictatorship, authoritarianism, or whatever equivalent regime is happening in several steps and guys like Trump are the first one."

=> He tried and realized by himself and by what was told to him that it wasn't possible to throw them in jail atm, sry mr BoneSpur.
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Quote (Ryvulet @ Jun 4 2024 01:18pm)
any potential laws broken are at most misdemeanors


Well between the 22 sexual harassment settlements, the 300+ times he has ripped off small businesses, the multiple times he had defrauded investors and ended up bankrupt, that time he refused to pay his lawyers, had to pay new lawyers up front and lost, the man who killed himself because trump ripped him off 2 million and he lost his business, the paying off of porn stars to protect his election chances, and the apparent 33 non felonies he just got found guilty of and the 57 more he is facing, where do you draw the line and say this man is trash who is not fit to be leading anything but a chain gang?
Forgot trump universities scam and the lies he told about supporting childrens cancer charity for free whilst actually charging them.

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Jun 4 2024 03:25pm
the civil war starting yet?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Jun 2024 16:13)
Trump could have fired Barr and brought in an AG who does his bidding, but he didn't. And that's what counts.

Also, what does it tell you that Trump appointed people with baseline integrity who reined in his worst impulses while Biden brought in faithful party hacks who willingly go after his political opponents under any premise, no matter how justified or ridiculous, no matter how much they have to stretch and twist the law?


Barr literally did his bidding wtf are you on about lmfao
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