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Mar 28 2023 03:11pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 28 2023 03:44pm)


i dont understand the connection, no one tried to change the definition of the N word, they just asked people rightfully to stop using it out loud directed at black people. which was good. saying the n word was never violence tho, it didnt physically hurt anyone, it was harassment.

in any case i gave examples above of right winged behavior that somewhat fits the bill that im also against, so i dont know what more to do. its hard to give direct counter examples as the rapid redefinition of words lately has been a left winged behavior, not surprising as it's a progressive tactic in and of itself. the more broad practice of shutting down conversation is often attributed to the left, but in reality the right does it all the time too. its just that the left uses redefinition more often, where as the right uses other moral/structural justifications to avoid criticism (religion, denial of historical importance, the constitution, etc).


You're looking at racial words through the modern lens. Once upon a time they weren't considered offensive, and then they were. That was an intentional change.

The left does it as our understanding of concepts evolves. The right does it to shut down the conversation.

The left is currently engaged in getting the public to understand the basic concept that gender (social expectations) is different from sex (biological characteristic).

The right is engaged in making sure everybody associates pedophilia with trans people, groomer with drag events, and using that as pretext for violence and mistreatment. They did he same by calling everything socialist and communist before that.

So let's not pretend they're even close to equal. The right uses the language in a far more malicious way
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Mar 28 2023 03:11pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 28 2023 04:09pm)
I don't value your opinion


and very few people would value yours, go post another conspiracy topic or watch paint dry, probably more your speed
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Mar 28 2023 03:13pm
Quote (blahaj @ Mar 28 2023 06:11pm)
and very few people would value yours, go post another conspiracy topic or watch paint dry, probably more your speed


Lol it's weird how arrogant you are for something most people on the planet would consider an abomination.
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Mar 28 2023 03:16pm
Quote (blahaj @ Mar 28 2023 02:03pm)
it matters alot because as shown in this very thread, those who are afab are somehow "not capable" of commiting violent acts like this

which sets up the stage for the braindead conversation to go, "hrt did it, we must ban hrt on all levels"

its already happening across multiple platforms of social media, this line of talking


so I looked up afab and it means assigned female at birth

this seems odd to me, wouldn't it be correct to say ofab instead (observed female at birth)

either way its proven hard science that T is correlated to aggression so I'm not sure how that is "braindead"

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Mar 28 2023 03:21pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 28 2023 01:53pm)
Not necessarily, words intended to incite imminent physical violence would also qualify. The progressive left has gone far beyond that, the closest definition for which is "Anyone who does not positively affirm my worldview is guilty of physical violence equivalent to murder". When that's your worldview, you can rationalize anything.


The left certainly is navigating intrapersonal conflict as we negotiate what are the best ways of communicating with others and moving forward. A work in progress, to say the least.
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Mar 28 2023 03:27pm
Quote (El1te @ Mar 28 2023 04:16pm)
so I looked up afab and it means assigned female at birth

this seems odd to me, wouldn't it be correct to say ofab instead (observed female at birth)

either way its proven hard science that T is correlated to aggression so I'm not sure how that is "braindead"


Categories are things we assign, not observe.

A stick with a rock at the end is just a stick with a rock at the end, but we assign it a label of hammer.

Similarly, we could break sex into any number of groups. We could say there are "females" which have a vagina and red hair, and then Fomales if they have brown hair.

What we categorize things as is arbitrary and human history is littered with designations we would now find totally meaningless.

We do it in science all the time. We say "we counted cells and assigned them group A if their mitochondria had this much signal, and B if they didnt". We don't pretend it's an objectively meaningful designation when we do it, we just make categories for convenience and assign things to them.

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Mar 28 2023 03:31pm
Quote (blahaj @ Mar 28 2023 01:23pm)
are you implying the hatred is justified?


not at all
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Mar 28 2023 03:32pm
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Categories are things we assign, not observe.

A stick with a rock at the end is just a stick with a rock at the end, but we assign it a label of hammer.

Similarly, we could break sex into any number of groups. We could say there are "females" which have a vagina and red hair, and then Fomales if they have brown hair.

What we categorize things as is arbitrary and human history is littered with designations we would now find totally meaningless.

We do it in science all the time. We say "we counted cells and assigned them group A if their mitochondria had this much signal, and B if they didnt". We don't pretend it's an objectively meaningful designation when we do it, we just make categories for convenience and assign things to them.


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Mar 28 2023 03:34pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 28 2023 04:32pm)
Lmfao


Please tell me what part of that you find objectionable.

any amount of thought should quickly reveal categories as a linguistic construct and not an objective aspect of the world
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Mar 28 2023 03:36pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 28 2023 02:27pm)
Categories are things we assign, not observe.

A stick with a rock at the end is just a stick with a rock at the end, but we assign it a label of hammer.

Similarly, we could break sex into any number of groups. We could say there are "females" which have a vagina and red hair, and then Fomales if they have brown hair.

What we categorize things as is arbitrary and human history is littered with designations we would now find totally meaningless.


I think you are confusing categories with definitions, and assigned with defined.

lets start at the top

on a baby, you can observe reproductive organs, either ova producing or spermatozoa producing organs

females are defined as humans who produce ova

males are defined as humans who produce spermatozoa

these are defined, not assigned.

to Define is to create a category. To Assign is to relate already existing categories between each other. This is readily apparent in computer programming.
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