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Feb 23 2023 11:40am
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 23 2023 11:25am)
ever wonder why an island was split into 2 nations?


Nope, I know all of Haiti's history.
Including to part long before that split.
When they killed all the French there, including the ones that freed them and gave them the island after making it a literal paradise.

In before, but the US military.....
That was centuries after.

Care to try again?
BTW, you can't ever win.
How can you, when facts, logic and all of human history are against you?
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Feb 23 2023 11:40am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 23 2023 11:28am)
Your whole analogy is basically reflective of the common status quo, and once again as I've already said, externalizes everything. It makes no difference if the media highlights crime statistics to me tbh. That was the status quo in the 80s and 90s and now the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction with neither being good ways to actually solve issues. The point is to not make people afraid, the point is to have an honest and balanced conversation because honestly that's the first step to try actually address the underlying issues. Instead we're spammed with a handful of police brutality cases every now and then and programmed to think that if only this small piece is solved everything will fall into place, meanwhile ignoring the elephant in the room.


if you're looking to the media to figure out "how to solve the problem" that's a serious issue. if you look to pro CJ reform politicians they have a diverse platform of strategies we can and should use. parole reform, bolstering public defenders, sentencing reform, housing projects, educational projects, community programs.

everyone knows the solution, no one likes the price tag. and why is the price so high? because the issues were put off by generations of americans who decided to blame the individual, and ignored macro issues. and your take is we still cant fix macro issues until CNN focusses more on micro issues? please. these initiatives die on the senate and house floor regularly, die in state senates regularly, and fail to escape town hall meetings regularly. but if the local news calls it like it is that wont happen?

honest conversations are great for some things, this issue is so obvious it doesnt need honesty. there's too many people immune to honesty for tribal and cost related reasons.
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Feb 23 2023 11:42am
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 23 2023 07:47am)
Strange to me how black crime statistics are seen as a checkmate for right wingers.

impoverished areas have more crime, black areas are more systematically oppressed, and have more crime.

its not even that black neighborhoods are overpoliced, that's one of the more spurious claims of left winged cj reform people. it's that the lack of change in those neighborhoods means they will never change.

increased education budgets and tax breaks for economic development are nice, but they're band aids on a gaping wound. and if someone proposed to fix it 50 years ago for 100x cheaper than it will cost now the same people who blandly post black crime stats would have called it communism and anti white racism, just as they do today.


its pointless trying to have an honest discussion with openly racist hogs, you'll get nowhere
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Feb 23 2023 11:46am
Think about areas that have a lack of education and opportunities as well. An example would be Detroit, 4th highest murder rate per a major city in the U.S. Los Angeles isnt even in the top 65, but they have more opportunities there and im assuming the educational system is stronger as well (Both Blue states, there will always be skewed data points)

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Feb 23 2023 11:49am
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13/50 or did the rate go up?


Actually, yes.
Thanks to an endless flood of illegal invaders, the 13% is now 12%.
And thanks to blacks being blacks "poor", 50% is now 56%.
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Feb 23 2023 11:55am
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 23 2023 12:40pm)
if you're looking to the media to figure out "how to solve the problem" that's a serious issue. if you look to pro CJ reform politicians they have a diverse platform of strategies we can and should use. parole reform, bolstering public defenders, sentencing reform, housing projects, educational projects, community programs.

everyone knows the solution, no one likes the price tag. and why is the price so high? because the issues were put off by generations of americans who decided to blame the individual, and ignored macro issues. and your take is we still cant fix macro issues until CNN focusses more on micro issues? please. these initiatives die on the senate and house floor regularly, die in state senates regularly, and fail to escape town hall meetings regularly. but if the local news calls it like it is that wont happen?

honest conversations are great for some things, this issue is so obvious it doesnt need honesty. there's too many people immune to honesty for tribal and cost related reasons.


CJ reform is a peripheral issue.

We're living during one of the most "informed" times of why things are the way they are, how society is the problem for the "soil" to be the way it is and whatever other analogies you want to use. We have cops that are more skittish and in check to what they can do more than any other time during the history of our country. We have more spotlights on courts and the CJ system in general than ever before. We have more money flowing into solving these issue and more conversations than ever before. And yet here we are in 2023, with violent crime rates going back up in the last few years in large cities. I guess we just need a little more awareness right?
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Feb 23 2023 12:07pm
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CJ reform is a peripheral issue.

We're living during one of the most "informed" times of why things are the way they are, how society is the problem for the "soil" to be the way it is and whatever other analogies you want to use. We have cops that are more skittish and in check to what they can do more than any other time during the history of our country. We have more spotlights on courts and the CJ system in general than ever before. We have more money flowing into solving these issue and more conversations than ever before. And yet here we are in 2023, with violent crime rates going back up in the last few years in large cities. I guess we just need a little more awareness right?


Poverty causes crime, and we live in a time where investment is increasing while poverty is likewise increasing.

yet if i piece together your posts you make it seem like media coverage of black male criminals as kittens is more to blame for the spike in violent crime than rapidly increasing poverty spurred on by inflation.

if you want coverage of blacks attacking Asians to stroke your hate boner just read the NYPost, they cover each one of those incedents with all of the fervor as CNN covers a black guy getting shot by cops.
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Feb 23 2023 12:10pm
Yeah, those Memphis cops sure were fucking skittish. You need to ask for a refund from your grad school.
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Feb 23 2023 12:13pm
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Yeah, those Memphis cops sure were fucking skittish. You need to ask for a refund from your grad school.


700k cops in the US, 50 die by gunfire every year. end result "if only we could have an honest talk about statistics that would dispel the illogical beliefs". puh-leeze.
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Feb 23 2023 12:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 23 2023 01:07pm)
Poverty causes crime, and we live in a time where investment is increasing while poverty is likewise increasing.

yet if i piece together your posts you make it seem like media coverage of black male criminals as kittens is more to blame for the spike in violent crime than rapidly increasing poverty spurred on by inflation.

if you want coverage of blacks attacking Asians to stroke your hate boner just read the NYPost, they cover each one of those incedents with all of the fervor as CNN covers a black guy getting shot by cops.


Media coverage is to blame for inaccurate diagnosis of the issue which leads to square peg round hole solutions. That's why simps like you can come to the conclusion that CJ reform is somehow the root cause of the issue or how some derivative of white man bad acknowledgement will change violent crime rates. As if sentencing disparities or a cop being aggressive has an impact when some dude in the inner city decides to pull the trigger and off some other guy.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 23 2023 01:10pm)
Yeah, those Memphis cops sure were fucking skittish. You need to ask for a refund from your grad school.


Dumb response. You could at least try to form an argument based on some overarching trends instead of reflexively responding as a 15 year old would. You realize on a macro level that police have pulled back post blm riots right?
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