thank the lord for our daily nonsense nazi comparison

amen

p.s: the sequence of events was completely different, but alright buddy

they really aren't that different. super power rolls in and demands your govt disbands and accepts them, they say no, and war starts after which the country is carved up.

well, france and the uk declared war on germany within 2 days (iirc) of the invasion, because they gave poland guarantees as an ally

however right now a third party sinkhole state we are not allied with attempts to provoke a response from a large military alliance they are not a member of

very much different scenarios

from Germany's perspective, the area of western Poland at the time was occupied German territory since they also did not recognize the end of WWI

What's sad is to watch these people criticizing what was so hardly won by revolting against authoritarianism. If we were applying what the other side is doing they would be in camps already, or worse.



You are twisting reality: who could have predicted how bad Russian army is and how motivated Ukrainians are, eventually ?



Ukrainians are paying with their blood already, in practice they are not "bringing the rest of the world into a war": They didn't even seriously attacked Russia in its own territory. They didnt attacked Iran for the drones.

Who is pushing for another offensive atm ? Who did mass war crimes ? Who is defenestration world's champion ? etc... It's just impossible to blame Ukrainians for raising the alarm as much as they can.

So you're saying you should have known that would happen based on the track record of the West, and I agree

to be clear, i am mainly talking about the selensky government and nationalists

i wonder how popular it really is to get blown into bits so your corrupt government can keep some majority russian dirt in the east

Who cares? The West has blown it's load and is now reduced to using some podunk conference to declare to the majority of the world's population - the 87% that are neutral on this US proxy war - that actually being neutral isn't neutral! https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/20/west-global-south-neutral-ukraine/

Begging countries that the West has spent two centuries dominating for old Soviet equipment and ammunition, declaring that not taking the US's side in this war is actually just being pro-Russia.

And those countries are saying no. If that doesn't tell you the American empire is on it's way out the door, dunno what else can. Used to be that a leftist gets elected in South America and the US would have the military launch a coup and execute the top 50,000 people involved in electing them. Maybe rape some nuns and toss people out of helicopters for some fun on the side.

Now? "Waah, we'll issue a OAS report on your elections that don't have 8 hour lines in poor neighborhoods." Or maybe some lawfare coup will be attempted.

Pathetic, love it.

They have a corruption problem, which seems to be reversible. And it's true they pushed for nationalism (ie: ukrainian flag in schools etc) to get rid of russian grip.
This preference toward EU/West/Freeworld exists and is growing since 20 years, ie since the day this ukrainian president got poisoned by dioxin.
Btw "trying to get the rest of the world in there another" is a non-sense. Any agressed country would do that, mine, yours, any. Till it has good arguments for it....

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 21 2023 02:06pm

the narrative the Nazis spun at the time of reclamation of pre-WW1 territories doesnt really hold up in hindsight when it's clear they wanted to dominate all of Europe and the world at large.

WW1 was a territorial war over long standing gripes, WW2 was Hitler attempt to rule the world, which sounds hyperbolic but isn't.



define the bolded terms, im a bit confused at your meaning.