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Feb 21 2023 04:08pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 21 2023 06:04pm)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

canada: #12 - "full democracy" - 8.81 / 10
usa: #30 - "flawed democracy" - 7.85 / 10




haha, remember how you lot predicted that after declaring emergency, trudeau would never rescind it again, turning canada into an authoritarian hellhole over night, quoting that dumb little milton friedman line about temporary government measures? was funny how none of you said a word about it after he ended it not even ten days later, after dealing with the weeks-long protests that shut down border crossings end effectively paralysed the canadian capital, holding the majority of its citizens who aren't anti-vaxx karens hostage.

you really think enough time has passed that people forgot that, that you can act like you ever had a point? think again, lel...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/canada-trucker-protests-trudeau.html


I'm shocked to find out Fenderp doesn't know anything about Canada.
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Feb 21 2023 04:14pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 21 2023 02:04pm)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

canada: #12 - "full democracy" - 8.81 / 10
usa: #30 - "flawed democracy" - 7.85 / 10


itsd not supposed to be a democracy....
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Feb 21 2023 05:16pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 21 Feb 2023 23:14)
itsd not supposed to be a democracy....


wrong.

lemme guess, this is about the silly little phrase that conservatives resort to when confronted with the flaws and injustices of the system: "b-B-buT iT's a rEpUbLiC, nOt a dEmOcRaCy!!!1!"
you know that has been debunked and explained about a thousand times in this sub alone, right?

"democracy" merely means that the power comes from the people - and that's how it's supposed to be in the US (even though nowadays it's almost exclusively corporations, and the vote of the people doesn't really play a role in terms of legislation and direction). direct democracies don't really exist (closest is switzerland). most democracies are some form of representative democracy (like federal republics for example) - those are still "democracies" though.

it's amazing how many people don't even understand the very basics of politics, and just regurgitate those stupid talking points like dumb little NPCs...
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Feb 21 2023 05:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 21 2023 10:07pm)
There is nothing to err here, this is an as open-and-shut a case as you can imagine.


Any encounter with the home owner being potentially lethal for armed burglars is a good thing though...


He says about a country that froze the bank accounts of truckers who peacefully protested a questionable government policy.


Trudeau lost the popular vote in his past two elections, lmao. Weren't you the one harping on and on about Trump "only coming into office because of America's outdated and 'undemocratic' electoral system" and thus having no real legitimacy or mandate? Strange how such an "undemocratic" situation never seems to bother you when it keeps liberals in power like in Canada.


:rofl:

absolutely rekt, but of course fender dodged
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Feb 21 2023 07:00pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 22 Feb 2023 00:28)
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absolutely rekt, but of course fender dodged


"dodged" as in "debunked blatantly partisan misrepresentation of anecdotes with facts about the system as a whole". yes, that's was "dodged" means, ampoo. another great point.

friggin' illiterates... xD
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Mian should get a reward or tax credit for the community service. Thought this Onion,. especially with Onatria alternate reality naming. Guess this is our dimension we have to reconcile.


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Feb 22 2023 06:15am
Quote (fender @ 21 Feb 2023 23:04)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

canada: #12 - "full democracy" - 8.81 / 10
usa: #30 - "flawed democracy" - 7.85 / 10

The Democracy Index was created by The Economist Group, you know, the ones who publish The Economist, which is THE flagship journal of neoliberal globalism.

Also, if you look at the comparison between Canada and the U.S. over the years, you will see that Canada's democracy index dropped by 0.27 between 2016 and 2022 while the US dropped by just 0.2 points over the same timeframe (which I chose because it starts with the last year of Obama's presidency and contains all of Trump's presidency during which there allegedly was oh-so-much "erosion of democractic norms").



Quote (fender @ 21 Feb 2023 23:04)
haha, remember how you lot predicted that after declaring emergency, trudeau would never rescind it again, turning canada into an authoritarian hellhole over night, quoting that dumb little milton friedman line about temporary government measures? was funny how none of you said a word about it after he ended it not even ten days later, after dealing with the weeks-long protests that shut down border crossings and effectively paralysed the canadian capital, holding the majority of its citizens, who aren't anti-vaxx karens, hostage.

you really think enough time has passed that people forgot that? that you can act like you ever had a point? think again, lol...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/canada-trucker-protests-trudeau.html

Oh please. First, it should be obvious that public resistance to authoritarian covid policies played a role in pushing them back. Across the world, certain public health figures were suggesting that we should wear masks forever, every winter, irrespective from covid.

Here in Germany, the prime minister of the state of Baden-Württemberg (roughly comparable to the governor of Florida or New York, to give our American friends an idea) was suggesting to suspend inconvenient parts of our constitution and get rid of certain aspects of the separation of powers in favor of a more efficient pandemic regime. And if our minister of health had gotten his way, we would still be wearing masks in every interior setting until Easter (of 2023) at the very least; the only reason we got rid of them was the pushback from our country's classically liberal/libertarian party. The other mainstream parties would happily have gone along with it.

And last but not least, keep in mind that there was a clear majority in favor of a vaccine mandate in the German parliament... in fucking April of 2022, at a time when the worst of the pandemic was already behind us, when there no longer was a threat of hospitals getting overwhelmend and when it was already established by the science that the available vaccines were doing absolutely fuck-all to reduce the transmission of covid against the dominant strains at the time. The only reason the proposal failed was because the majority of yes votes were divided between the governing coalition and the opposition.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 22 2023 06:17am
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Feb 22 2023 06:26am
Quote (fender @ Feb 22 2023 02:00am)
"dodged" as in "debunked blatantly partisan misrepresentation of anecdotes with facts about the system as a whole". yes, that's was "dodged" means, ampoo. another great point.

friggin' illiterates... xD


you are so funny in these discussions

countries that crack down hard and have their stuff in order are authoritarian

when countries are awful at keeping public order you are always shitting on the people, who are protecting themselves

and homogenous high trust societies, where bullshit usually just doesnt happen, are racist, xenophobic, something-phobic etc

your utopia does not exist, at least stay consistent and admit that you hate guns and certain crime is the price for the super "open" society you want

you cant have it all fenderp so just be honest
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Feb 22 2023 06:46am
Quote (fender @ Feb 21 2023 05:00pm)
"dodged" as in "debunked blatantly partisan misrepresentation of anecdotes with facts about the system as a whole". yes, that's was "dodged" means, ampoo. another great point.

friggin' illiterates... xD


You get utterly btfo on here just about every day. Doesn't it get exhausting to be you?
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Feb 22 2023 07:16am
Quote (fender @ Feb 21 2023 03:16pm)
wrong.

lemme guess, this is about the silly little phrase that conservatives resort to when confronted with the flaws and injustices of the system: "b-B-buT iT's a rEpUbLiC, nOt a dEmOcRaCy!!!1!"
you know that has been debunked and explained about a thousand times in this sub alone, right?

"democracy" merely means that the power comes from the people - and that's how it's supposed to be in the US (even though nowadays it's almost exclusively corporations, and the vote of the people doesn't really play a role in terms of legislation and direction). direct democracies don't really exist (closest is switzerland). most democracies are some form of representative democracy (like federal republics for example) - those are still "democracies" though.

it's amazing how many people don't even understand the very basics of politics, and just regurgitate those stupid talking points like dumb little NPCs...


Is the United States a constitutional republic vs democracy?
While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States.

U.S. Government - U.S. Embassy in Argentina
https://ar.usembassy.gov › education-culture › irc › u-s-...


dirt bag criminal demoncrotch party want to say "democracy" so they can play fast and loose with the system thats in place

This post was edited by TiStuff on Feb 22 2023 07:17am
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