flat earthers tried to prove it's flat and their experiment proved it's round. its round.

Like I said, I am not defending flat earth. I am saying that we should encourage people to be more like flat earthers, who at least attempted to think independently.

then you haven't talked with many flat earthers. their defining characteristic isn't thinking outside of the box, its disbelieving anything that proves them wrong.

there are a lot of people in communities that question official narratives that are just fine, because they accept evidence they can verify and are willing to change their opinions if they're proven wrong. flat earthers are not one of these groups, they're rigid in their beliefs because the core of the movement is fundamental religiousness. the same can be said for young earth creationists, with which they have a large overlap, who contend any prove of a world older than 4,000 years is just fake and created by the devil. i know a YAC who legit told me that carbon dating is devil sorcery.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 10 2023 12:30pm

that's one of those things that only make sense if you don't think about it for more than a second. sounds reasonable at first, but simply doesn't apply to the real world.

it is commendable to be curious, think critically about things, and challenge established norms or "wisdoms" that simply don't make any logical or practical sense, question certain rules and generally accepted standards. that does NOT mean you should simply dismiss or have to question everything you have been taught at school / university.

being a critical thinker does NOT mean to outright dismiss every aspect of human knowledge, every scientific consensus that you personally couldn't even hope to really comprehend, let alone prove yourself with the limited knowledge one human being can acquire during their life time on any given subject. with that attitude, we'd still be roaming the savannah with spears in our hands, looking for our next meal to kill...


if you want to know what makes sense to challenge, just ask yourself a couple of core questions:

- is it even remotely feasible that what i'm "challenging" could have been kept a secret / hidden from society and scientists in the respective field in the past?
- have there been serious experts on the issue challenging it prior?
- is there any good (material / strategic / spiritual...) motive of deliberately withholding or misinforming the general public about it, and would that reason benefit everyone conspiring? (if not, go back to point 1)


the whole "if you didn't prove / see / perfectly understand it yourself, you're a sheep for accepting the general (scientific) consensus" notion is just frustratingly dumb. it's one of those bumper sticker slogans that only genuinely stupid people consider smart or enlightened.
in reality, the vast majority of the self-proclaimed "just a critical thinker / just asking questions" community simply REJECT every evidence that goes against their chosen narrative, in favour of unscientific anecdotes by fellow conspiracists. it's the exact opposite of thinking independently or critically.

This post was edited by fender on Jan 10 2023 01:17pm

LOL

vid is useless with out showing how the experiment is set up. the light is 17feet high high? then he lifts it up to 23feet?

u can watch the documentary on netflix if you'd like. they discuss the entire thing.

do u think the earth is flat?

the onus is on you. your saying its round. i havent said anything.

you're*

but im not trying to prove anything, just asking you what your thoughts are. ive spent countless hours arguing flat earth with card_sultan here in pard, i have no interest in that debate.

i understand if you're too embarrassed to answer tho.

your making a claim and giving up so soon and trading it all in for a pedant moment? its not a good look