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Dec 4 2022 12:10pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Dec 2022 02:27)
If you didn't see something with your own eyes, there should always be room for debate. And did you see the "Holocaust" happen with your own eyes? I rest my case.


should there be "room for debate" if the earth is flat? did you see it with your own eyes?

the thing is, any "debate" regarding the holocaust is settled, the evidence is overwhelming, nazi germany rounded up millions of jews (as well as other "undesirables" like communists, roma, homosexuals...) and murdered them. people who still deny that aren't doing it for lack of proof, genuine curiosity, or healthy scepticism, but solely because they don't WANT it to be true for whatever reason. i mean, it's not like people are "debating" if the civil war really happened, or the french revolution. holocaust deniers aren't unconvinced serious historians, but people with an agenda...
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Dec 4 2022 12:38pm
i am shocked

shocked i tell you

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Dec 4 2022 12:49pm
It happened.
But you know what else happened? Even worse genocides orchestrated by left wing regimes that none of these dinguses will ever acknowledge.
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Dec 4 2022 12:57pm
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He reopened it in light of damming new evidence.



You should present the evidence then because the evidence presented against you makes the case open and closed.
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Dec 4 2022 03:20pm
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should there be "room for debate" if the earth is flat? did you see it with your own eyes?


Of course there should be a debate for whether the earth is flat. It's always good to have a debate, even about things that you feel certain about. The fact you brought this up tells me you are the kind of person who would stifle a debate.

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the thing is, any "debate" regarding the holocaust is settled, the evidence is overwhelming, nazi germany rounded up millions of jews (as well as other "undesirables" like communists, roma, homosexuals...) and murdered them. people who still deny that aren't doing it for lack of proof, genuine curiosity, or healthy scepticism, but solely because they don't WANT it to be true for whatever reason. i mean, it's not like people are "debating" if the civil war really happened, or the french revolution. holocaust deniers aren't unconvinced serious historians, but people with an agenda...


The Nazis rounded up Jews to stop them from working with the enemies, such as Russia, which had a lot of Jews.

I have also read that Hitler had the intention of settling Jews in present-day Israel.
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Dec 4 2022 04:11pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Dec 2022 22:20)
Of course there should be a debate for whether the earth is flat. It's always good to have a debate, even about things that you feel certain about. The fact you brought this up tells me you are the kind of person who would stifle a debate.



The Nazis rounded up Jews to stop them from working with the enemies, such as Russia, which had a lot of Jews.

I have also read that Hitler had the intention of settling Jews in present-day Israel.


you need to learn to read more carefully. i didn't say "people shouldn't be ABLE to have a debate about it", i'm saying there simply is no good faith debate to be had, because the evidence is overwhelming. again, holocaust denial isn't based on a lack of evidence, not on a reasonable alternative narrative as to what happened to millions of jews in the third reich, and what happened in death camps, but on a political agenda trying to downplay or outright deny it ever happened.

the reference to flat-earthers merely serves to illustrate how ridiculous any "debate" is from a factual perspective. of course people should be free to talk about their inability to comprehend science or accept historical facts, but that doesn't mean that they are entitled to be taken seriously by anyone who isn't a complete moron. do you understand the difference?

let me ask you one simple question: is there any other universally accepted historical fact that you are "doubtful" about, despite overwhelming evidence to its truth?
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Dec 4 2022 06:55pm
Quote (fender @ Dec 4 2022 02:11pm)
you need to learn to read more carefully. i didn't say "people shouldn't be ABLE to have a debate about it", i'm saying there simply is no good faith debate to be had,


You don't get to debate whether there is a good faith debate.
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Dec 4 2022 07:11pm
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You don't get to debate whether there is a good faith debate.



Only because there is no debate to be had.
In the cases of flat earth or holocaust denial there is literally zero evidence to support one side of the argument so a debate cannot occur.
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Dec 4 2022 07:13pm
Kanye West did not say anything wrong.
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Dec 4 2022 07:36pm
Quote (remco6 @ Dec 4 2022 05:11pm)
Only because there is no debate to be had.


You don't get to decide that.


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