Quote (mki @ Nov 15 2022 07:47pm)

Neither is harassing transgender people and that has never stopped Christians before...

Quote (mki @ Nov 15 2022 04:47pm)

Neither is harassing transgender people and that has never stopped Christians before...

Quote (Mondain @ Nov 15 2022 04:48pm)

Harassment is not acceptable, Furthermore Most Christians don't even understand their history.

No real christian would pass judgement on another human.

and furtherfurthermore the pope is caeser. Anyone following his twisted tale of the religion is being led astray.

Quote (Mondain @ 15 Nov 2022 19:48)

No real christian would pass judgement on another human.

Quote (Mondain @ 15 Nov 2022 19:48)

and furtherfurthermore the pope is caeser. Anyone following his twisted tale of the religion is being led astray.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 15 2022 04:29pm)

Get well soon! :hug:



It is often said that trans rights are very similar to gay rights, and that conservatives will eventually come around, just like the majority of them did for gay rights throughout the 2010s. The argument is basically that opposition to the demands of the trans rights movement has no valid intellectual basis and is mostly rooted in conservative bigotry and stubbornness. I disagree with this take. Imho, there is a very crucial difference between gay and trans rights: the gays only asked the heterosexual majority society to let them do their thing and not actively discriminate against them. Opening the institution of marriage for gay people was the only demand they made which went beyond asking for mere tolerance.

The trans movement, on the other hand, is asking the majority society to actively affirm their delusions in a lot of ways. They want us to discard laws intended to protect the underaged and allow life-altering operations on minors, even ones which are irreversible or which amount to mutilation. They want to force us to use all sorts of funny pronouns and to disfigure our language. They want girls' sports to be opened to biological males. They want public venues to add extra transgender bathrooms, or to grant biological males access to women's bathrooms. Unlike the gay rights movement, which mostly needed the rest of society to adopt a live and let live attitude toward them, the trans movement needs the rest of society to actively go out of their way and ignore their lying eyes to accomplish its goals.

Quote (Mondain @ Nov 15 2022 04:35pm)

Gender isn't a Concept, I've agreed it is a social construct built upon the facts of science.
(concept: [noun] something conceived in the mind : thought, notion.)
Humans do not spawn, they are birthed from a women. (I understand you didn't say they are spawned but I felt compelled to add this)

By your own admission, There are people trying to cure this mental illness. It wasn't until the topic of transgender was normalized through deviations, which lead to an uptick of transgenders. This automatically correlates to the number of people who become transgender as a fad or trend. Had this mental illness never became normalized we wouldn't see even a fraction of the transgenders we see now a days.

I agree with you that there are those who view gays as having a mental illness. And for a fact, some of those are suffering from a mental illness. This also parallels with what I said about transgender. It became normalized and we are seeing an uptick in those who claim to be gay. Many of which do it out of acceptance, fad or trend.

The well-being of a person is important, even if they suffer in their mind. They are still a human like you and I.

Quote (mki @ Nov 15 2022 04:57pm)

Does that version of Christianity even exist in the US? It's certainly not what the majority of self described Christians say.



So Catholicism? Yeah it's not the same version of Christianity as say Evangelical Protestants or many other variations.

Quote (Mondain @ Nov 15 2022 04:39pm)

"They told me everything would make sense after I transitioned, it's who I am."

"After I began to question LGBTQ, they turned against me in the most toxic ways"

These are statements by a former transgender.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 15 2022 08:08pm)

Just because we "wouldn't have seen a fraction" of cases doesn't mean that they stopped existing, or never existed in the first place. It just means we're more aware of it, and talking about it more openly.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 15 2022 08:08pm)

Where I somewhat agree with you though, is that social media for young people has been a bitter-sweet thing. It has allowed some young people to understand themselves better and to know that they're not alone.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 15 2022 08:08pm)

At the same time, young people who are "chronically online" can be quite susceptible to influence. I don't know that I would use the word "fad" or "trend", because to me that implies that people are doing something to be cool, fit in, or to achieve some kind of secondary gain. I think there are/have been many young people who thought themselves transgender because they genuinely resonated with the idea/feeling/experience, only to realize that that identity really doesn't capture who they are.

Quote (Mondain @ Nov 15 2022 05:19pm)

But that raisees the question, if you removed the fad/trend people. How many of those left are suffering from their past or present mental disturbances. This would paint a clearer picture because than it's a fraction of a fraction.

So let's hypothetically say 15% of a population is transgender, 50% do it for acceptance, fad or trend due to normalization. 7.5%, let's say 30% genuinely have server mental illness. 5.25% left over.
In a democracy they are a minority which will be voted out of existence.
But the important number. 7.5% do it for acceptance, fad or trend. Propaganda telling them everything will be better if they do it.

Social Media and population has caused an massive uptick in suicide rates among the youth.

"they're not alone", This is one of the biggest lies lgbtq uses to recruit young people.

It's human nature to find acceptance in a community. If they don't find it in real life, they turn to the internet. This only leads to validating misconceptions.