More like, where you stop thinking about deeper problems and real solutions and instead blame the ephemeral "jew".

I was recently listening to a debate and the person blamed "the jews" for something, and when pressed that the ones who passed the laws were white Christian men he basically just said "they lobbied for it", even though they were a tiny part of the total lobbying effort.

20 years ago the "I'm right about Christianity" mentality would bother me, but we have so many bigger and more important problems than creationists trying to teach evolution now.

I miss 20 years ago when outright racists and fascists didn't have a home in the Republican party and it was still disguised behind "states rights" and other euphamisms.

Cool story. You should go after Christians then.

I'm a Catholic... the church is supportive of teaching evolution. There's no reason we wouldn't support teaching the scientific truth of how God made the universe.

The Republican party is an embarrassment and as a Catholic, I cannot vote for them. I don't think any Catholic should vote for most Republicans or Democrats.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 19 2022 07:00pm

LOL @ expecting intellectual honesty from the fucking Nazi.

Isn't "intelligent design" an epistemic closure of its own? Faced with overwhelming scientific evidence against the Christian genesis, creationists just shift the goal posts of when and where God supposedly played his part in the creation of the universe to beyond the limits of contemporary science. They concede the minor, inconsequential point ("okay, earth was not actually created 9000 years ago") to protect and sustain the more important core point of their believe system ("god created the universe and all life follows his design").

It's actually very similar to how Trump supporters argue in the face scandals or political blunders: concede the minor point that something got fucked up ("okay, his actions on this one were suboptimal") to protect the core believe that Trump himself is infallible and any failures must have occurred because someone else failed him ("he was deceived/let down/led on the wrong path by his cabinet/advisors/party establishment").

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 19 2022 09:20pm

Ahh man. It's so close to self awareness

It doesn't make a lot of sense that Genesis was intended to be an accurate scientific history of the creation of the universe. In fact, there's two different creation timelines in Genesis. There's books in the Bible that are meant to be historical accounts, like the Gospels, and other books that aren't. The Bible is a library of books, containing different genres.

Early Christians like Irenaeus and Origen believed in an allegorical interpretation of Genesis, long before contemporary science.

Now, atheists or agnostics will not be convinced of these arguments, but that's because they don't have good reasons for believing what they do. And they have bad reasons for disbelieving Christianity.

What are "these arguments"? That there is some interpretation of Christianity that doesn't conflict with an old earth?

If so, I don't see "there is a non-contradictory interpretation" as a good reason to believe in something, or rejecting that as a bad reason to disbelieve. You can come up with non-contradictory interpretations for most things.

In fact, since you are going back to old Christians, the Catholic (and Christian as a whole) stance against abortion is a very modern stance. Aquinas didn't believe "ensoulment" happened until 40-80 days after conception and that it was later for girls than boys. Earlier tradition was that you were "alive" when you breathed your first breath, since breath was your soul.