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#31
Sep 9 2022 02:26pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 9 2022 02:23pm)
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. You don't seem to understand what anybody is actually saying and just jump on whatever bumper sticker line you can think of first.


I understand exactly what everyone is saying. You should rename your d2jsp account to FallacyMan. Ad Hominem's are bad.

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#32
Sep 9 2022 02:26pm
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sure people do look favorably on cigs because of movie stars, and bad on pot because of DARE and cia fuckery. but hard drugs which cause u to lose jobs, grind you teeth until u lose them, or die from an overdose should be stigmatized heavily. i think its foolish to suggest more addicts have been damned by this stigma than people who have been saved by never trying the drugs themselves. omelets need eggs.


Most people try these drugs and don't get addicted. I know tons of people who have partied with coke. I don't know a single addict.

There's an extreme where a drug like fentanyl can not said to be safe regardless of the conditions but that's the only drug I'm aware of that even has a chance to fall into the category you're describing.
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#33
Sep 9 2022 02:27pm
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I understand exactly what everyone is saying. You should rename your d2jsp account to FallacyMan. Ad Hominem's are bad.


No, you clearly don't. Since I've seen you not accurately describe two people's position in this thread alone.
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#34
Sep 9 2022 02:27pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 9 2022 03:24pm)
do you have an example where someone is incapable of making their own choices and should have agency removed? or do you just not think addiction takes peoples' choices away?


Suicidal people who aren't terminally ill.
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Sep 9 2022 02:29pm
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No, you clearly don't. Since I've seen you not accurately describe two people's position in this thread alone.


Coming from the guy who just copy pasted something he didn't understand as a response?

This whole topic is spam and it's been reported as such.

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#36
Sep 9 2022 02:34pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 9 2022 03:26pm)
Most people try these drugs and don't get addicted. I know tons of people who have partied with coke. I don't know a single addict.

There's an extreme where a drug like fentanyl can not said to be safe regardless of the conditions but that's the only drug I'm aware of that even has a chance to fall into the category you're describing.


heroin seems to be as close to Fent, and of course there's fent laced heroin, as it gets for purely street drugs. meth seems more like you have to try several times then get hooked from addicts i know. coke is a party drug, its addiction when snorted has always been over stated. inject it tho and u may be fucked.

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Suicidal people who aren't terminally ill.


thats a good example, and i'd say i see a LOT of cross over between those people and drug addicted homeless people.

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Coming from the guy who just copy pasted something he didn't understand as a response?

This whole topic is spam and it's been reported as such.


literally scared of a thought experiment, pitiful.

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#37
Sep 9 2022 02:49pm
Intervention figured out the best way to help people who need to be helped, without kidnapping them and holding against their will

Get them in a room with family members really is the only option, without violating their rights
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Sep 9 2022 02:53pm
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Intervention figured out the best way to help people who need to be helped, without kidnapping them and holding against their will

Get them in a room with family members really is the only option, without violating their rights


on the topic of morality, is it moral to hold them and force detox?

Yes, assuming you treat them well (outside of forced confinement)
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#39
Sep 9 2022 02:55pm
Quote (Superman @ Sep 9 2022 03:26pm)
I understand exactly what everyone is saying. You should rename your d2jsp account to FallacyMan. Ad Hominem's are bad.


And yet you fundamentally misunderstand what addiction truly is.

Dig up.
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#40
Sep 9 2022 02:58pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 9 2022 03:34pm)
thats a good example, and i'd say i see a LOT of cross over between those people and drug addicted homeless people.


Sure, there's some crossover, but at the end of the day, the drug addled vagrant is merely impacting his options and lifestyle. The suicidal person is making a permanent and irrevocable choice with impaired faculties.
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