I am sorry you feel that way. I did not mean to be insulting at all, but things like make it quite hard to take somebody seriously. I am not trying to “troll” or whatever, I just don’t take identity politics seriously, and those who refer to identity politics just do not come off as serious people. Take that as you may. You completely missed my point and it seems like you don’t want to have a real discussion.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jul 8 2022 09:40am

Abortion leads very quickly to societal decay and collapse, with rampant prostitution and "sexual anarchy" so to speak

As we are witnessing in real time

What if I tell would tell you that I don't take people who don't do identity politics seriously? Which one of us would be automatically right regardless of what stance we're actually making?

Identity politics is just a blanket term for a certain set of opinions. If you disagree with those opinions, then that's fine. If you "don't take them seriously", then you're possibly missing out greatly on actually understanding people and possibly even learning something from them.



Anyway, since you seem apologetic, I'll clarify anyway: people are not thinking about state-level politics when they decide to protest, as state-level politics are irrelevant. They're purely looking at the fact that abortion used to be a constitutional right and no longer is. That's a change and they're scared that that change will catch momentum and become an actual trend. They don't care about the specificities of the American political system -- in fact they don't even care about the American people specifically -- they only care to make their pro-choice stance known to the world and to their respective governments at a time where it seems to matter.

When you say that some of those people come from countries with worse abortion laws than some American states, you're doing quite a reach to search an ad-hominem argument where there is none to be found.

So I am supposed to take people seriously when they say “straight white people bad” to make their point. Got it. I strive to understand the opposition to my stances, but if you immediately shift to identity politics and victimhood, then you have lost me.

I totally understand overreacting to things you don’t quite understand, but when your country has much stricter laws than the ones you are protesting, there is an issue.

So, in other words: your issue "identity politics" stems from the fact that you can dumb it down to a meme and then ridicule that meme, and your issue with Europeans protesting the Roe vs Wade overturning stems from it being an "overreaction" and them "not quite understanding" it.

I'll concede that you may not be a troll, but in that case you're just someone who thinks far too highly of themselves. In other words, I shouldn't have bothered with humoring you.

This post was edited by Leevee on Jul 8 2022 12:15pm

Seems like projection. Feel free not to respond in the future. If you would like to actually ingest my words and respond to what I was saying, feel free to do that as well.

Pretty sure I’m uniquely qualified as a grown man who dated a woman who had an abortion that I ended up paying for. There are days I wish I had a child and there are days that I’m glad she did not reproduce. That said it was the decision that was made in the first trimester within two weeks of finding out that she was going to have a baby. I don’t view it as a form of birth control but I also understand that some women are absolutely not equipped to have a child and shouldn’t.

In my case I found out the girl I was dating in a serious relationship with lied to me about her birth control when she changed it and never told me about that and was also raging alcoholic every time I was gone (including after she found out she was pregnant) which would’ve led to definitive development disabilities and at best a 30 year life span.

Had one political party not pushed for late term abortions without absolutely damning evidence that it would be destructive to have a child they have pushed themselves into a corner. A lot of people didn’t like it but they could sympathize with rare and legal and safe abortions.

So the whole debate became tainted and this is what you get now as the consequence, women will be hard up to get them in some states, and that’s their fault, so they will either have to raise those children or break whatever state laws they are protesting to go have one. Every time I was single and had sex I used protection it’s not that hard. Condoms cost three dollars and it’s even cheaper if you buy a 12 pack. When I was in relationships either she was on birth control or we understood that there was a chance we would have a baby. Welcome to reality.

People screaming in the streets my body my choice that use rape and incest which is literally 1% of abortions are an actual joke and deserve to be treated as such. If you want to make adult decisions be prepared for adult consequences or don’t do them. Pretty sure the USA was already the most lenient amount possible and that wasn’t good enough so now you reap what you sow.

If you don't want to be perceived as thinking too highly of yourself, don't express such unabashed disdain for people you disagree with. Such behavior only comes from someone who feels superior, or from a simple troll.
I'm not the one refusing to understand other viewpoints and claiming they don't understand, and I'm not the one saying certain expressions of opinions are overreactions. You are. My comments about you are not projection, and you pulling that card does not help you in trying to seem any less dishonest.

If you simply learn to respect people's opinions, and you'll find people will respect you in the end.

Holy smug alert. Look guy I have not, in my life shown disdain for anything. I have been frequenting this board for the exact opposite of disdain. You have admitted these people don’t know what they are talking about.



It seems most of those who disagree with me on this board feel the need to be extremely disrespectful towards me, then pretend I am disrespectful and don’t want to have a real conversation. I understand I am new to this website, so I ask this with the utmost sincerity, is this simply how the left leaning users talk? I was talking to that sniper user the other day and we agreed 100% on the topic, yet he went out of his way to be a complete asshole either way. Now you are straight up just misrepresenting my entire process for conversation. The hell is wrong with some of you





This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jul 9 2022 02:18pm

I never said they don't know what they're talking about. I said that their only purpose is to speak out against anti-abortion movements, and that this purpose transcends borders and political systems. So yes, they don't know how the American political system works, and the point I am trying to express to you is that they don't need to know.
That is in no way an expression of anything negative regarding them or regarding America.

You say you didn't show disdain, and that's where I have to disagree. You dumb down identity politics and portray it as a meme (to the point where you say that anyone taking such a stance is not worth taking seriously), and you say protesters are "overreacting" and that they "don't quite understand".
If you believe that this isn't a disrespectful expression of disdain and of superiority, then we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

As a general rule regarding open-mindedness, you should always assume that you yourself are no more intelligent than others. So if you ever want to say "they don't understand", you should stop yourself in your tracks and realize that it's perfectly possible that you are the one who is missing something that they aren't. Please do not take this as an insult to you or your intellect; it's something everyone -- regardless of level of intelligence -- should live by.