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Jun 3 2022 08:22am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 3 2022 10:18am)
Back in the 90's we were pretty big on attempting to hold police accountable. There were so many cases of police brutality, primarily against white women, secondarily against white men, third against black men, but impacting every other demographic as well, including children, that it seemed like a major fucking problem.

Strides were made. Things like shoulder cams, which were implemented on a trial basis in many jurisdictions from 2005-2013, yielded great data, showing police behaved more appropriately when they had something such as that to hold them accountable, without preventing them from doing their jobs.

Then, in 2014, after Michael Brown beat the everloving shit out of a cop and tried to steal his gun to murder him, and was shot dead for his trouble, it became all about "Black Lives Matter". On the very same day that an officer killed Michael Brown in self defense, a white teenager in Utah was gunned down by police. He was unarmed and had offered no resistance or cause to the officer. The incident was considered "following policy" and no investigation ensued. Nobody cared. Nobody cares today.

This is the largest part of the problem with points such as yours, they ignore the efforts of the last decade to turn a viable attempt at police accountability into a massive race-based grift.

The problem that Ghot is pointing out isn't the problem that we had in the 90's. It's new. We are currently at a point that thanks to the race-grifters of BLM, the police are terrified to pull the trigger if the target is anything other than white. Why would cops refuse to stop an active shooter who's killing children? He was brown. Even being the same race as the criminal who is shot is no protection for the officer. It's gone so far as people demanding that officers be currently taking fire before they ever draw their firearms. Hell, there were even calls for prosecution when an officer saved the life of a black girl by shooting the black girl who was attempting to murder her by stabbing her with a butcher knife. To put yourself in the position of the officers in Uvalde who refused, why would you ever intervene in any school shooting where the shooter is non-white, possibly being shot and either injured or killed yourself, when there's a very high likelihood that you will end up prosecuted for magically being racist?

What about the current climate encourages any dedicated police officer to remain with the force? What about the current climate encourages good people to join today? If you're one of the people truly dedicated to insuring peace and safety to your community, why would you join the police, when you've now been told that to enforce the law is racist, if the suspect is non-white? And if the suspect IS white, and there are unlikely to be any repercussions, why SHOULDN'T the police officer act with extreme and unlawful brutality? Good cops? Why would there be any?


Police are the problem to his example, I wasn't ignoring everything else you mentioned, nor was any of that needed for the original post. Obviously there are bad people as well, but to ignore the fact that there aren't bad cops and only people are the issue, that's where the original post was wrong.

It's a problem if you think all cops should be brutal and extreme. If all cops acted under their oath appropriately 100% of the time we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Jun 3 2022 08:22am
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Jun 3 2022 08:31am
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Police are the problem to his example, I wasn't ignoring everything else you mentioned, nor was any of that needed for the original post. Obviously there are bad people as well, but to ignore the fact that there aren't bad cops and only people are the issue, that's where the original post was wrong.

It's a problem if you think all cops should be brutal and extreme. Of all cops acted under their oath appropriately 100% of the time we wouldn't be having this discussion.


If all cops acted under their oath appropriately 100% of the time? Do you live in a fairy tale? That is a serious question. Tell me, what politician acts under their oaths to uphold the Constitution and serve their Citizens appropriately 100% of the time? What... No, you know, I don't need to list 50 dozen examples of the people writing the laws, enacting the laws, handing down orders and regulations and being the primary purse holders for enforcement not keeping to their oath. It's obvious.

100% of the time? I'd be happy with 90% of the time. That'd make them 9 times more accountable than any politician, no profit founder, activist organization, business, school, or nearly any other profession.

100% of the time? Your expectation is that not only is there never a bad cop, but good cops never even make a mistake? Those are your standards? Tell you what, go join the Portland Police Department or Chicago Police Department or Baltimore Police Department or St Louis Police department and show us how the fuck it's done. Just don't forget, if the criminal is non-white, it's not actually a crime, so your oath to blind justice? Well, that'll be the first you break. :)
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Jun 3 2022 08:50am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 3 2022 10:31am)
If all cops acted under their oath appropriately 100% of the time? Do you live in a fairy tale? That is a serious question. Tell me, what politician acts under their oaths to uphold the Constitution and serve their Citizens appropriately 100% of the time? What... No, you know, I don't need to list 50 dozen examples of the people writing the laws, enacting the laws, handing down orders and regulations and being the primary purse holders for enforcement not keeping to their oath. It's obvious.

100% of the time? I'd be happy with 90% of the time. That'd make them 9 times more accountable than any politician, no profit founder, activist organization, business, school, or nearly any other profession.

100% of the time? Your expectation is that not only is there never a bad cop, but good cops never even make a mistake? Those are your standards? Tell you what, go join the Portland Police Department or Chicago Police Department or Baltimore Police Department or St Louis Police department and show us how the fuck it's done. Just don't forget, if the criminal is non-white, it's not actually a crime, so your oath to blind justice? Well, that'll be the first you break. :)


Did I say that it would ever be a reality? Did I say it was my standard? Everybody in the world should be professional and care for others. That's what I expect from people. It's because people don't choose that life is why the world is so screwed up. Again if cops acted were under oath 100% of the time appropriately or if people were actually decent 100% of the time we wouldn't be having these conversations.

(If)

(If)

I put that there a couple more times for you because your lower intellect missed it the first time.
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Jun 3 2022 09:14am
Quote (D_urRRR @ Jun 3 2022 07:50am)

(If)

(If)

I put that there a couple more times for you because your lower intellect missed it the first time.


You need to stop insulting people.

It's bad enough to have to read your posts and now you throw in this shit.
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Jun 3 2022 09:23am
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 3 2022 10:14am)
You need to stop insulting people.

It's bad enough to have to read your posts and now you throw in this shit.


Bob asked him if he lived in a fairy tale (while ignoring the context of his prior post). You gonna call him out for that?
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Jun 3 2022 09:26am
Quote (D_urRRR @ 3 Jun 2022 07:50)
Did I say that it would ever be a reality? Did I say it was my standard? Everybody in the world should be professional and care for others. That's what I expect from people. It's because people don't choose that life is why the world is so screwed up. Again if cops acted were under oath 100% of the time appropriately or if people were actually decent 100% of the time we wouldn't be having these conversations.

(If)

(If)

I put that there a couple more times for you because your lower intellect missed it the first time.


What a load of horse shit. So your offered solution is clearly not possible in the real world. It's just some pipe dream you scammed up while combing your carpet for parmesan, right?

Sorry if that sounds insulting, but I mean, if it's good enough for a President's son, and seems to fit the complete and utter trash you're posting, then it's probably too good for you.

Everyone should care for others? Why? Why should anyone care about anyone who doesn't care about them? Like, in your post right there, you were intentionally insulting. Is that behaving professionally? Is that caring for others? The moment somebody points out the worthlessness of your completely nonsensical "standards" you immediately turn around and yourself break those standards?

Good grief.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 09:27am
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Bob asked him if he lived in a fairy tale (while ignoring the context of his prior post). You gonna call him out for that?


That's not an insult though. It's just another way of saying he's being unrealistic.

Why do you defend him anyway? A few posts up he was saying OP likes to make thread to make himself look stupid. And I am guessing that you see absolutely nothing wrong with this.
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Jun 3 2022 09:39am
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 3 2022 10:27am)
That's not an insult though. It's just another way of saying he's being unrealistic.

Why do you defend him anyway? A few posts up he was saying OP likes to make thread to make himself look stupid. And I am guessing that you see absolutely nothing wrong with this.


I'm not the one getting bent out of shape over decorum. The OP is one of the most absolute cop defenders in this entire forum. Even in places where cops have been proven to be in the wrong, he has stood behind their behavior (even indicating that "we'll have to wait for the appeal" when one has been convicted in a court of law). The entire premise of the thread is based in that apologism, and rightfully deserves to be criticized for it.
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Jun 3 2022 09:41am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jun 3 2022 08:39am)
I'm not the one getting bent out of shape over decorum. The OP is one of the most absolute cop defenders in this entire forum. Even in places where cops have been proven to be in the wrong, he has stood behind their behavior (even indicating that "we'll have to wait for the appeal" when one has been convicted in a court of law). The entire premise of the thread is based in that apologism, and rightfully deserves to be criticized for it.


You can criticize him, but you mustn't insult him.

And the D__durr guy or however you spell his name, did the latter.

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Jun 3 2022 09:47am
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 3 2022 10:41am)
You can criticize him, but you mustn't insult him.

And the D__durr guy or however you spell his name, did the latter.


Bob just insulted him again. In fact, he specifically said "sorry if that sounds insulting". You gonna call him out? Or just those with whom you agree?
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